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Old 06-10-2012, 05:59 PM   #136
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The rule about WC is intended for managers.
When I am the manager, I am strained with complex bureaucratic rules of granting WC. I cannot understand, why cannot simply write

Also should write

The offered variations release the manager from extra work.


this is not bureaucratic at all, this is giving the player a choice whether or not s/he wants to play using 1 of her/his WCs. Sometimes players post picks thinking they have committed to this tournament. When you tell them they should be a WC they have to be free to choose. What you suggest means you as a manager decide for them that they have to use 1 of their WCs. What happens if someone doesn't want to waste a WC on a 250 tournament? Picks are posted, WC is granted automatically -> WC is counted used. No going back.

IMO it is not for the manager to decide when the players should use their WCs. I have had players who once they learned they'll need to play as WC they just didn't play, probably keeping their WCs for bigger tournaments.

I am against your suggestion because it deprives the players from choice. IMO players have to state clearly they want to spend 1 of their WCs on that specific tournament.
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Old 06-10-2012, 06:29 PM   #137
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Agree w/ Aenea here about asking for a WC.
It is player's responsibility to sign up for tournaments/ask for a WC if they have forgotten.
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Old 06-11-2012, 03:04 AM   #138
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I not only the manager, but also the player too.
Let's assume, that I became very forgetful.
I have forgotten to commits.
I have forgotten to find myself in the list of commitments.
And certainly I do not remember, how many WC I used in it to year.
And nevertheless I do pick PAW01.
Well what for the manager asks me, whether I want WC?... While I shall answer, half of tournament will pass...
The manager should regret me and give me WC automatically!
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Agree w/ Aenea here about asking for a WC.
It is player's responsibility to sign up for tournaments/ask for a WC if they have forgotten.
Well, the player bears the responsibility for ask for a WC.
Then picks, made before to ask, it is necessary to ignore all.
Item 17.6 maybe such:
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17.6 What if a player posts picks without commitment or WC?

His picks are not valid. After inquiry WC to make picks follows anew.
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I not only the manager, but also the player too.
Let's assume, that I became very forgetful.
I have forgotten to commits.
I have forgotten to find myself in the list of commitments.
And certainly I do not remember, how many WC I used in it to year.

And nevertheless I do pick PAW01.
Yeah and what is next for the managers - posting picks for those who have forgotten to post picks? Managers' job is to manage the tournament not to look after PAW players' successes. It is players' responsibility to join a tournament if they want to play it. Managers are not school teachers and this is not a kindergarten to hold players' hand through the entire tournament. If they want to play they know what they have to do.
For me this is the end of story. I have stated my opinion and there are no arguments that can change it. I have looked this situation from both managers' and players' POV and my opinion that I have already expressed is final.
If one becomes very forgetful (forgets to commit, forgets to check Commitments list, forgets to ask for WC) s/he just doesn’t play that specific tournament.
And if you don't remember how many WC you have used you can always check the Wildcards thread. It is there for that purpose – managers and players to check on the WC. As you can see Paw Board is keeping track for those who are very forgetful.
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It was interesting to me to find out, why rules such.
Thanks Aenea for a detailed explanation. It seems, I have understood, and this understanding will facilitate to me management in the future.
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It was interesting to me to find out, why rules such.
Thanks Aenea for a detailed explanation. It seems, I have understood, and this understanding will facilitate to me management in the future.
All my posts were only presenting my opinion and nothing more.
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Are you allowed to pick 16 matches in round 1 in a tournament where you have 16 picks? I know in slams is not allowed to pick 26 in round one! And if player doesn't respond, which pick is invalid - last one (PAW16) or last one played?
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without specifying a tournament so I guess it applies for all tournaments no matter MM, Masters or GS.

As for the pick - I scratch the last one from the set. I had a case like that before and Shaun said I should ask the player but if the player doesn't choose which pick is to be deleted to scratch the last one as invalid.
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btw this stipulation is puzzling me. I don't understand why is it there. Some time ago we disscussed it here with a player but we couldn't find a logical explanation for its existence.
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i just wish WTA and ATP PAW had identical rules since i'm doing both sides
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The rule stating that all picks cannot be made from the same round is identical for both ATP and WTA PAW. Don't ask me why the rule exists but I guess it has been in existance from the original introduction of PAW onto both forums.

Tina - yes the last pick (PAW16) would be invalid in this case for a 16 pick tournament.
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When it was introduced to MTF, probably but not when it was originally introduced to WTAWorld now known as tennisforum

this is the introduction in 2002

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Welcome to Pick-A-Winner (PAW), the Predictions game!

The rules are simple: Just pick the winners of any 13 Main Draw matches. You choose the matches and you pick the winners. You get more points for picking low-ranked winners than for picking high-ranked winners.

then in 2003 people who have picked the game on tennisforum from Simon have decided to change the original rules

and in the end of 2003 the new rules (as we know them now) have been introduced and were in use from 2004.

I never found info why have they decided to come up with that stipulation. On the previous page I have written a post about that.
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Hi, is tehere a max qty of tournaments to be played during a season? I mean, similar to ATP rankings
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