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Old 01-31-2004, 06:20 AM   #16
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I thought he would have named Santoro...
WTF??! What is it that Fabrice has done to upset Guy Forget? And what about Clément, Llodra and such.. aren't they supporting Fabrice in this?
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OLIVER MUTIS?!!!!!!!!!!!!!
riiiiiiiiighhhhhhhhht...someone needs help!! (sorry vale)
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Oh my! Hope they don't lose this tie or Guy's gonna have some problems! He probably felt he would look like a fool to call back Fabrice just after having dropped him.
Still both of them said it wasn't a definitive thing, that he might be back in the team in the future...?

Mutis being in the team doesn't necessarily mean he will play. (Too bad Paulo is injured as well, and Richie still a bit tender...)

We could have Arnaud and Nicolas in singles, and either Nono+Mika or Nico+Mika in doubles. Michael could even play singles since he played well in Australia. That's said clay which is not exactly Nico nor Mika's best surface.
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OLIVER MUTIS?!!!!!!!!!!!!!
riiiiiiiiighhhhhhhhht...someone needs help!! (sorry vale)

I agree with you Esther...Guy's totally crazy,he needs to see a specialist...


Maybe Nico can play singles even tho it's clay.Liubicic and Karlovic arent good on clay either.I'm quite shocked..I cant understand why he didn't recall Santoro.if they lose, Guy'd better leave his job to someone else
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was that why fabrice dared to strip after winning the aus open doubles?? a protest to guy ??? lol.....

well.... there can always be a new discovery in times of need.... in 99 when both rafter and flip were in trouble, the aussies sent 18yo hewitt out to carry the davis cup team... some people may actually play better playing for their country..
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was that why fabrice dared to strip after winning the aus open doubles?? a protest to guy ??? lol.....
lol.. I think it was an effort to seduce him, so he'd be able to come back
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Coo-I saw the pics and it was a meager attempt. Fabrice seductive? About as seductive as fabric softener.

(Pardon the bad allusion, I'm doing laundry and drinking pouilly fuisse.)
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i still cant believe mutis will play singles...... no way ... what is his clay record ??

marine..... your signature has become very simplified !!!! lol
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yes that's really me.. I'm Guy's biggest fan you know,but I'm honest enough to admit when he is wrong and in this case he's totally wrong.i just hope France doesnt have to pay for his mistakes.
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Until yesterday, I was weally dubitative about Guy's choice, but right now, after have read the 2 articles, I think we don't know ALL about this story, and I think Guy made a respectuous choice. It's not easy, but couragious, because he knows if they lose, it will be hard for him.
Read that, and give me your opinion.

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YANNICK NOAH, légende du tennis français

PRÉSENT à Tarbes au tournoi des Petits As, Yannick Noah soutient ouvertement Guy Forget, son « pote », qui a évincé Fabrice Santoro de l'équipe de France. Selon lui, il ne peut y avoir qu'une vérité, « celle du capitaine », avec « des critères et des lois ».

On parlait de Richard Gasquet comme d'un futur n° 1 mondial.
Il marque le pas. Qu'en pensez-vous ?
- Yannick Noah: Richard Gasquet a de quoi travailler, mais il préfère rentrer chez lui. Il me semble qu'il y a un problème. Ce môme aimait jouer et n'a plus le feu. Il balance des matchs, abandonne. Qu'il arrête avec Benhabilès, c'est quand même un signe, parce que Tarik, c'est un bagarreur. Entraîner le meilleur espoir français, payé par Bîmes et ensuite par Lagardère, et renoncer comme ça à un salaire assuré ? C'est lourd, lourd, cette histoire...

Autre polémique qui enflamme le tennis français : la non-sélection de Santoro par Forget, pour la Coupe Davis...
- Il faut savoir prendre des risques. Et tous les gens qui pensent qu'un match de Coupe Davis se gagne sur le court ne comprennent rien. Il se remporte en équipe. C'est ce qui a toujours fait notre force. On n'a jamais été les meilleurs du monde. Jamais, depuis les Mousquetaires. Mais on a gagné la Coupe Davis avec cet esprit. Vous avez discuté avec Guy Forget. La faute de Santoro impliquait-elle qu'il soit exclu pour « raisons extrasportives » * ? Il n'y a pas besoin de faire des fautes graves pour se trouver hors règlement interne. Et l'esprit d'équipe, ce n'est pas un truc extrasportif, c'est essentiel en Coupe Davis. C'est le coeur même de l'équipe. Fabrice s'avère être un joueur de double extraordinaire. Et en plus, c'est notre pote. Mais si l'esprit est remis en question, cela veut dire qu'il n'est pas profondément ancré dans le coeur de tous. Et c'est embêtant.

Vous sous-entendez que Santoro n'a plus l'esprit d'équipe...
- Vous ne pensez pas que Fernandez a bien fait, au PSG, de mettre souvent Ronaldinho à l'écart, lui qui foutait toute l'équipe dans la panade ? Aujourd'hui, les mecs sont très bien classés, alors qu'ils rataient tout depuis deux ou trois ans avec une équipe plus forte sur le papier. Pourquoi ? Car il y a Halilhodzic, qui est un guerrier, qui tient son groupe et que celui qui l'ennuie, il est dehors. En sport individuel, tu fais ce que tu veux, pas en équipe.

Alors, pourquoi ne pas révéler publiquement les torts de Santoro, afin de clarifier les choses ?
- Il y a des choses qui se passent en interne et qu'on n'a pas envie de dire. De temps en temps, il y a des phrases qui sortent. Et tout le monde a envie de savoir, c'est normal ! Mais il faut aussi savoir protéger le groupe.

Guy Forget ne risque-t-il pas son poste de capitaine, en cas de défaite ?
- Je pense que l'équipe de France a cent fois plus besoin de Guy que Guy n'a besoin d'elle. Mais qui peut mettre en difficulté Guy Forget dans le tennis français ? Pour mettre qui à sa place ? Lagardère ? Moi, quand Philippe Chatrier (NDLR : ancien président de la FFT) m'a nommé, tout le monde était mort de rire. Je suis devenu le meilleur capitaine. Guy, c'est pareil, c'est le meilleur. Maintenant, si quelqu'un veut le virer pour des histoires hors équipe de France, vous allez m'entendre !
Guy a ramené en cinq ans ce que le tennis français n'a pas eu pendant cinquante ans !

* Pour des raisons personnelles, il avait pris une semaine de vacances avant France - Suisse en avril 2003.

ps: I don't always agree with Noah, but I like his interview, he's right on this last point.
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Another thing that made me change of opinion...

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Coupe Davis: Santoro "s'est lui-même exclu" du groupe, selon Forget



METZ (AFP) - Le capitaine de l'équipe de France de Coupe Davis de tennis, Guy Forget, a estimé lundi que Fabrice Santoro, "de par son comportement", s'était "lui-même exclu" du groupe retenu pour affronter la Croatie, au premier tour, de vendredi à dimanche à Metz.

"Il sait très bien pourquoi il n'a pas été sélectionné," a déclaré Forget, répondant indirectement à son joueur. Santoro, qui a remporté dimanche avec Mickaël Llodra l'Open d'Australie en double pour la deuxième année consécutive, avait en effet affirmé mardi dernier qu'il ne comprenait pas cette éviction.

"Il le sait depuis une réunion à Bercy (fin octobre-début novembre), où j'ai fait part de mon intention de ne sélectionner ni lui, ni Mickaël, a ajouté le capitaine français. Entre temps, il y a eu plusieurs tournois, où il pouvait changer le cours des choses. Il aurait fallu qu'il se rapproche des autres. Pour avoir parlé avec les joueurs à Bercy, à Lyon et en Australie, je peux dire qu'ils ne sont pas du tout sur la même longueur d'ondes. Chaque membre du groupe a un problème avec Fabrice."

Les joueurs présents à Metz (Nicolas Escudé, Arnaud Clément, Olivier Mutis et Thierry Ascione), n'ont pas insisté sur ce point, Forget leur ayant "demandé de ne pas s'exprimer là-dessus".

Clément, qui avait été écarté de la finale 2001 remportée (3-2) en Australie après avoir joué tous les tours précédents, a toutefois souligné qu'il respectait le choix de son capitaine. "Guy prend les infos auprès des joueurs et des membres du staff, a précisé le numéro un de l'équipe, en l'absence de Sébastien Grosjean, blessé à la cuisse droite. Après il décide. On a confiance en lui, on respecte ces choix-là."

Revenant sur le fond du problème, Forget a expliqué que Santoro avait commis "une erreur qui s'est ajoutée à une accumulation de petites choses précédentes".

"Fabrice a fait à plusieurs reprises des choses gênantes et perturbantes pour le groupe, a-t-il précisé. Si un capitaine a soutenu Fabrice plus d'une fois, c'est bien moi et Dieu sait si ça n'a pas toujours été facile. Personne n'est irréprochable, mais à un moment donné, tu peux faire ton mea culpa. A aucun moment il n'a eu cette attitude, c'est ce qui me dérange."

Dès lors, retenir Santoro mettait l'équipe en danger, selon Forget. "Avec le reste du groupe, ça sonnerait faux et à la première défaite, ça exploserait, estime-t-il. Si je fais ça, je vais droit dans le mur. Si ça se passait mal, on pourrait me le reprocher."

Cette éviction n'a cependant rien de définitif. "Je veux laisser une porte ouverte à Fabrice," a déclaré le capitaine tricolore.

Santoro peut d'ailleurs s'inspirer de son partenaire de double, Llodra, que Forget a finalement retenu pour ce premier tour car il a manifesté "une réelle volonté de se rapprocher du groupe" et a reconnu "de petites maladresses". Le gaucher devait rejoindre ses équipiers lundi soir à Metz, où il sera candidat à l'une des deux places du double, avec Clément et Escudé.

"J'ai trois joueurs de double d'un niveau presque semblable à Fabrice et je pense que malgré son éviction, c'est le point que l'on a le plus de chances de gagner", a assuré Forget.
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I'm more surprised than ever...it's quite normal that Yannick defends Guy (being Guy his best friend) but still Guy says freely that Santoro had problems with everyone...that's quite shocking!

Neway he's totally right about Richie...his separation with tarik was a wrong move!
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- Il y a des choses qui se passent en interne et qu'on n'a pas envie de dire. De temps en temps, il y a des phrases qui sortent. Et tout le monde a envie de savoir, c'est normal ! Mais il faut aussi savoir protéger le groupe.

verrrrrrrrrry interesting...

i cant believe that he said EVERYONE has a problem with Fabrice!! I wonder how long this has been going on for?!!! He must feel really bad tho that all this has been said to the public and how everyone knows that he's been doing somethign wrong and how he's 'putting the team in danger if he comes back'....how sad!!!

isnt it interesting tho how opinions can change so quickly with what we do or dont read from the media...we were all so ready to hate Guy when we didnt know the full story but after reading them we are more on his side...
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hmmmm..... so the 'everyone has a problem with santoro' statement comes from here....... guess i'll have to run the translater again lol
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