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View Poll Results: If he can only win one of these titles this year, which one would it be?

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Old 05-05-2006, 12:32 AM   #46
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RG for sure, it would place him among the very best in history!
I think Roger is already there.
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Old 05-05-2006, 01:20 AM   #47
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What do you mean about Barcelona Final ? Nadal didn't have any great contenders in his draw.....that was an expected outcome.

Here's an interesting point to remember......Agassi was 29 when he won RG and he wasn't the favorite going into it. He also didn't even play Monte Carlo and he lost in the 3rd round of Rome that year. Granted I don't think Agassi's opponent in the RG final was as tough as Nadal. Agassi was lucky to be in the right place and the right time.

However, we can also see that some times titles and streaks don't tell the whole story. In other words, Agassi could have easily lost that RG final or if he were facing a tougher opponent like Nadal that year he probably would have lost it. So in reality to have won all 4 majors in a career doesn't necessarily mean more than winning 14 or more majors in a career.

I'd be happy for either outcome for Roger an RG or a Wimby. I think we can all agree that at the least we want Roger to win one more major this year no matter which one it is because that will help him retain the #1 spot.

Let's keep up the good vibes for Roger and maybe he will win both RG and Wimby this year! Why not? Borg did that a bunch of times.
I know Pam, but I didn't mean my statement in such a context. I meant, having to watch Nadal win another title on clay without anyone to seriously challenge him made me roll my eyes and simply declare this clay season a complete bore and let down........plus, I was still reeling from the MC final .............


There is presently no one, except Roger, that has given Nadal any serious challenge on clay this year...........nor do I think there is another player, other than Roger, that can presently present a serious challenge to him. So for me to say that him not facing any tough opponents was unique to Barcelona is unrealistic............then again, Roger wasn't there Part of me wants to ask, where are the so called clay court specialists???? When Roger came up through the ranks, he had to contend with some serious opponents. On a hard court, there are still many dangerous opponents for Roger and there are times when we have to see Roger lift the level of his play in order to win a match..........and of course, some can offer an objection by saying the same can be said of Roger on grass as is said of Nadal on clay. My response, the grass season isn't as long as the clay season, so give me a friggin break With Nadal, on clay, there's no one but Roger. I want to see one of those "specialists" at least give Nadal a good match. Right now, TTC is replaying the 05 Roma Final.........and I'm semi glancing at the television once in a while...........fantastic final and one of the best matches of 05, in my opinion. Coria presented a solid challenge as a fellow clay court specialist. Nevertheless, I entered the clay season excited and expecting to see fantastic matches among the clay specialists..........with Roger trying to stick his nose into the mix to cause some upsets. Is that happening?? Hell no. At this point, just hand Nadal the trophy in the tournaments that Roger has not entered and in the ones where Numero Uno y Dos are present, just skip to the final and have them play it.........giving Nadal the edge, of course And for those that want to tell me that what I'm saying is dismissive of the other players?? My response, WHAT PLAYERS??? In the clay season, there's Nadal and Roger with Marty serving a bit of Fish as an appetizer.........Marty who'd most likely earn only bagels from Roger and Rafa. So this Clay Season SUCKS....................plus Roger losts MC final

Well, I had to rant...........so........

P.S. I think Agassi got "lucky", in a lot of respects, in earning his FO title. Nevertheless, I was extremely happy that Andre won and I hope I can feel just as happy this year.......... After all the debates are finished, all that matters is the closing statement.......which is: "Andre won the FO"
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Andre did get a lot of breaks in getting that RG title, but he was also a finalist two toher times. Getting to 3 finals pretty much means nobody can knock you if you do get the title. It wasn't a fluke.

As for Federer, winning this year's RG will give a new found confidence and we will see him play at even greater heights than in the past 2 years. Now THAT'S something to look forward to it can happen.
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Andre did get a lot of breaks in getting that RG title, but he was also a finalist two toher times. Getting to 3 finals pretty much means nobody can knock you if you do get the title. It wasn't a fluke.

As for Federer, winning this year's RG will give a new found confidence and we will see him play at even greater heights than in the past 2 years. Now THAT'S something to look forward to it can happen.
Andre winning RG wasn't a complete fluke, but he was rather lucky that he was facing Medvedev instead of a greater player. Would you say Andre's winning Wimby in '92 was a fluke? I think he was lucky to be facing Ivanesivic who was a choker. Sampras hadn't hit his prime yet at that time.

Yes, winning RG would give Roger a big boost. It's hard to image how his nerves would be if he got to an RG final. He was really nervous in this year's AO final, an RG final would probably get to him even more.
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I think Roger is already there.
I know, but he would leave the group of "the ones who won 3 of the 4 majors" and there are a lot
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I know Pam, but I didn't mean my statement in such a context. I meant, .......
I agree Mangoes. Good points. When you ask where are all the clay court specialists .....I say they are out there the problem is they are all either too much smaller, and/or else they are head cases who choke away sets. Coria has great skills and he can challenge Nadal but he can't keep up the pressure long enough. If Coria chokes playing Gaudio (who is also a big choker) then what hope does he have against Nadal? Add that to the fact that Coria double faults like crazy right now. For that matter in 2003 Coria choked playing Verkerk in the SF so

The fact that the clay season is so much longer than the grass season makes it much easier for Nadal than for Roger. But one factor could end up being which one stays healthy the longest. I don't think they can both keep winning some 10 tournaments a year including 4 MS series each. Most #1 players do that for a couple of years in their prime and then taper off just doing enough to win majors and a couple other titles.
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As for Federer, winning this year's RG will give a new found confidence and we will see him play at even greater heights than in the past 2 years. Now THAT'S something to look forward to it can happen.
That would definitely be fantastic If Roger were able to defeat Nadal at RG's final, I think that'll bring to end some of his issues with Nadal........and change the dynamic of their matches from then on.............
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I know, but he would leave the group of "the ones who won 3 of the 4 majors" and there are a lot
I think Agassi is the only one who won all 4 in their career who was in the open era. It's a matter of preference and opinion. To me total number of majors and which majors they are count more than soley having won each of the majors at least once. I wouldn't equate winning 4 AO's with winning 4 Wimbledons for example. Most of Agassi's majors were AO's. I think the quality of which majors Roger won already outdoes the majors that Agassi won (4 AO, 2 USO, 1 RG, 1 W).

I am not putting Agassi down. I also think it's quite likely Roger WILL win RG either this year or next year. I am just saying that if you look at who most people label as the best players of all time........Agassi is ranking about 7th despite having won a career GS. Roger already outranks Agassi.
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That would definitely be fantastic If Roger were able to defeat Nadal at RG's final, I think that'll bring to end some of his issues with Nadal........and change the dynamic of their matches from then on.............
Yes, and I think Nadal is very afraid of that. Once Roger beats Nadal soundly things will never be the same again in their matches.
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I agree Mangoes. Good points. When you ask where are all the clay court specialists .....I say they are out there the problem is they are all either too much smaller, and/or else they are head cases who choke away sets. Coria has great skills and he can challenge Nadal but he can't keep up the pressure long enough. If Coria chokes playing Gaudio (who is also a big choker) then what hope does he have against Nadal? Add that to the fact that Coria double faults like crazy right now. For that matter in 2003 Coria choked playing Verkerk in the SF so

The fact that the clay season is so much longer than the grass season makes it much easier for Nadal than for Roger. But one factor could end up being which one stays healthy the longest. I don't think they can both keep winning some 10 tournaments a year including 4 MS series each. Most #1 players do that for a couple of years in their prime and then taper off just doing enough to win majors and a couple other titles.

CORIA, CORIA, CORIA................. I'm watching bits of the Roma final with Coria and Nadal. Coria's forehand in this match was such a weapon against Nadal. Theoretically, Roger has a better forehand than Coria, yet it doesn't seem to trouble Nadal on a clay court and Roger doesn't use it very much. Is there a difference between Coria and Roger's respective forehands on clay??
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What is strange to me is the fact that Roger had a lot more competition coming up through the ranks than what Nadal had to face to climb to #2. Rgoer had to face players like Agassi, Henman, Hewitt, Safin, Roddick, Nalbandian when they were at their PEAK. Now Nadal is benefitting from the fact those guys are only half what they were. This lets Nadal have a much better chance off of clay than he would have had otherwise. That's just not fair.
Agreed, PamV.

People complain that there is no competition in men's tennis because Roger is so dominant. Sometimes I feel unfairness and injustice about that, considering how hard Roger had to compete against so many players in order to step up to the level where he stands now.

I can't help but thinking that Nadal has been a bit 'lucky' in terms of competition and draw. I'm not trying to downgrade his talent or hard work on/off the court at all. But, as PamV said, it is a fact that he hasn't met quality players in form--against whom Roger had played and proved himself time and time again--frequently enough. Let aside Agassi and Henman due to an age factor, somehow Nadal has never met Safin and Nalbandian(how come?). BTW, he has played Hewitt and Roddick a few times and his H-H against them are not so good(1-4 in total). However, as both of them have been in struggling, I'm not sure that they can beat him even if they meet him on HC.

And do you guys know what is the biggest irony here? The main reason why they'd fell down into slump is none other than Roger himself.

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Agreed, PamV.

People complain that there is no competetion in men's tennis because Roger is so dominant. Sometimes I feel unfairness and injustice about that, considering how hard Roger had to compete against so many players in order to step up to the level where he stands now.

I can't help but thinking that Nadal has been a bit 'lucky' in terms of competetion and draw. I'm not trying to downgrade his talent or hard work on/off the court at all. But, as PamV said, it is a fact that he hasn't met quality players in form--against whom Roger had played and proved himself time and time again--frequently enough. Let aside Agassi and Henman due to an age factor, somehow Nadal has never met Safin and Nalbandian(how come?). BTW, he has played Hewitt and Roddick a few times and his H-H against them are not so good(1-4 in total). However, as both of them have been in struggling, I'm not sure that they can beat him even if they meet him on HC.

And do you guys know what is the biggest irony here? The main reason why they'd fell down into slump is none other than Roger himself.
In Miami 2005 Nadal would have faced Safin and Roddick but they lost early on flukes. Maybe that was the start of their decline. Roddick lost to Verdasco claiming to have a wrist injury. Safin's knee may have already been bothering him.

Yes, it could be that Safin, Hewitt and Roddick all started declining because of resignation over Roger. It's either that or maybe their injuries would have done this to them any way.
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CORIA, CORIA, CORIA................. I'm watching bits of the Roma final with Coria and Nadal. Coria's forehand in this match was such a weapon against Nadal. Theoretically, Roger has a better forehand than Coria, yet it doesn't seem to trouble Nadal on a clay court and Roger doesn't use it very much. Is there a difference between Coria and Roger's respective forehands on clay??
Does Coria put more topspin on the ball than Roger? I am not sure. In the MC 2006 final Roger's forhand was very effective when he was not reacting to pressure.
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In Miami 2005 Nadal would have faced Safin and Roddick but they lost early on flukes. Maybe that was the start of their decline. Roddick lost to Verdasco claiming to have a wrist injury. Safin's knee may have already been bothering him.

Yes, it could be that Safin, Hewitt and Roddick all started declining because of resignation over Roger. It's either that or maybe their injuries would have done this to them any way.

I think Safin's issues were injury related. If he could keep his mind in more matches, Safin should make a return to the top 5.
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I think Marat's injuries are due to poor training and not being overly serious about his tennis, which is not always such a bad thing. If he had listened to his doctor or physio or whoever it was who told him last year or even earlier... but no, he had to continue to play, injured and now look at him -- he missed more than half of last year and has hardly played this year. It's taking him an eternity to come back [sure didn't take Rafa long to get back to his "good level"] -- tennis needs Marat and he s be in the mix.
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