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Old 04-28-2006, 05:45 PM   #16
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Honestly I don't want Andy thinking too much on court, he's at his best when just playing by instinct.
I don't think he is suffering from the "too many options" mindset out there. I refuse to believe anyone apart from maybe Saffy is hopeless when it comes to tactical thought on the tennis court.
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Honestly I don't want Andy thinking too much on court, he's at his best when just playing by instinct.
Exactly and that's what he's not doing right now. so I think there's a good argument to be made that John, who knows his game and his personality and his mind better than anyone else, might be the best one to help him get back to that instinctive kind of play.
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Old 04-28-2006, 06:09 PM   #18
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Exactly and that's what he's not doing right now. so I think there's a good argument to be made that John, who knows his game and his personality and his mind better than anyone else, might be the best one to help him get back to that instinctive kind of play.
I agree. In certain matches, Andy has suffered from thinking too much, and this isn't just an Andy problem but a player problem. When you think too much you end up confusing yourself because then you start to question everything you do and that's trouble right there. There's no room for debating with yourself out there. Even Roger has said that he plays better on instinct and Marcos admitted that his problem at the final of AO was that he was "thinking too much." Sometimes you just gotta trust your gut.
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Old 04-28-2006, 06:11 PM   #19
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I agree. In certain matches, Andy has suffered from thinking too much, and this isn't just an Andy problem but a player problem. When you think too much you end up confusing yourself because then you start to question everything you do and that's trouble right there. Even Roger has said that he plays better on instinct and Marcos admitted that his problem at the final of AO was that he was "thinking too much." Sometimes you just gotta trust your gut.
Exactly, it's not a coaching problem. A coach can't just force a player to stop thinking so much. But a guy like John who knows Andy so well, they're so close, etc., maybe he can help him get back to that.
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Wait, when did Henman dump Annacone? How did I miss that?

I am pretty sure that both Jan-Mike and Justin (who played John in juniors) have said that John was a very talented player and he would have been a legitimate pro player if he had not suffered a career ending back injury. He also coached at Georgia, and I don't think he would have left a job like that to branch out on his own with an academy if he couldn't sustain his clients with good coaching.
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Exactly, it's not a coaching problem. A coach can't just force a player to stop thinking so much. But a guy like John who knows Andy so well, they're so close, etc., maybe he can help him get back to that.
Ja ja. I think he has started to do just that. (Fat John ) After the Ferrer match at Nasdaq when Andy said that he believed he was finally starting to play good tennis again, he was right and I think his matches at DC prove it. He could have very easily have lost to either Massu or especially Gonzo. The way Andy played the Gonzo match was so thrilling, such vintage Roddick, I could barely contain myself and I think everybody who was watching realized too that Andy may have finally turned a corner out of this slump.

Heh. I've watched that Gonzo match like five times now. I just love it.

By the way Debs, please send Massu match when you get the chance. In return, I will send you back some lovely DVD matches and I promise not to surprise you will any more crazy matches.
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Stop making sense, Fee. You know that's not allowed here

I had not heard anything about Annacone and Pete splitting either. I mean they worked on an "intermittent" basis anyway, not traveling together all the time, so yeah.

Okay tangy I can send it next week or something....to your work? I think i have your business card still.

The gonzo match was indeed great. but, the he regressed again in Houston and lost a match everyone who saw it says he should've won against a guy who was in extreme pain.... sooo....
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Old 04-28-2006, 06:21 PM   #23
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Stop making sense, Fee. You know that's not allowed here
Making sense is perfectly allowed here in the AR forum. It's not allowed in GM.
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1- I love Andy, he's the one who really brought me to loving tennis and I have modeled so much of my game after him but...he's not that smart of a player. Sure he's a smart guy but, on the court sometimes he just plays retard tennis. I felt like when Brad was around he got Andy thinking and his tactics were better. If you pair Andy up with someone who can help him with his strategy, he would have better results. That's why Brad worked so well because he's the master of strategy.

2- A name coach brings a mystique to the locker room. When players see you have Rafter, Stitch, or Courier in your box it's gotta be intimidating. Also for Andy this could bring him some confidence because you have the experience of another champion in your box, someone who knows exactly what you are going through...something John can't relate to.
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1- I love Andy, he's the one who really brought me to loving tennis and I have modeled so much of my game after him but...he's not that smart of a player. Sure he's a smart guy but, on the court sometimes he just plays retard tennis. I felt like when Brad was around he got Andy thinking and his tactics were better. If you pair Andy up with someone who can help him with his strategy, he would have better results. That's why Brad worked so well because he's the master of strategy.
then why did Andy's results start to slide badly under Brad? Brad's master strategy helped him lose the last 20 points in a row to Hewitt? Andy played some of his best tennis of 2004 when Brad didn't even accompany him to Thailand and Spain for Davis Cup. Sick of hearing how great Brad was for him, by the end, Andy's problems were already starting.
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2- A name coach brings a mystique to the locker room. When players see you have Rafter, Stitch, or Courier in your box it's gotta be intimidating. Also for Andy this could bring him some confidence because you have the experience of another champion in your box, someone who knows exactly what you are going through...something John can't relate to.
Wow, I just don't agree with that at all, we will have to agree to disagree on that one.
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then why did Andy's results start to slide badly under Brad? Brad's master strategy helped him lose the last 20 points in a row to Hewitt? Andy played some of his best tennis of 2004 when Brad didn't even accompany him to Thailand and Spain for Davis Cup. Sick of hearing how great Brad was for him, by the end, Andy's problems were already starting.
Wow, I just don't agree with that at all, we will have to agree to disagree on that one.
Although his results may have slid, Andy never played better tennis than he did when he was with Brad. That Wimbly 04' final was the best, the best I have ever seen him play, and that summer hardcourt season 03' was a dream too. I don't disagree that it was time for a change, things weren't working anymore but Brad did a lot for Andy's game. With Brad Andy went from hopeful to Champion. Brad was great for Andy, Andy may never be that great again.
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Fumus, as I told you: watch the Gonzo torrent and you will see vintage Roddick in action again.
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Although his results may have slid, Andy never played better tennis than he did when he was with Brad. That Wimbly 04' final was the best, the best I have ever seen him play, and that summer hardcourt season 03' was a dream too. I don't disagree that it was time for a change, things weren't working anymore but Brad did a lot for Andy's game. With Brad Andy went from hopeful to Champion. Brad was great for Andy, Andy may never be that great again.
okay so, now I can read this

I mean yea maybe Brad was the right guy at the time, but he's clearly not the right guy anymore, so why discuss it? It's moot now, no?

If we're gonna talk about Andy revisiting past coaches, I think Tarik would be a better discussion, considering the complaint people had about him was that he was too intense and fired up and that's what we're talking about Andy needing more of again.
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