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Old 02-23-2006, 04:41 AM   #1
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Question Improvements in federer's game

I know this thread belongs to Player forum , but I wanted to reach out to more people .

I just read somewhere( in a sports tab. ) that coach Roche feels Fed can improve/ needs improvement in these areas : 1 Volley/ net play 2 second serve 3 Hitting a heavier ball .

Though I'm not sure if it's a recent statement or an old one ( It's in the latest issue of the sports tabloid ).

What are the areas where Fed can improve / needs improvement acco. to you ?

(I'm a Fed fan but not a biased one . I also enjoy Nadal's intensity n safins explosiveness.)

I have never played tennis ( though I would like to ) so my opinions may seem a bit naive if not stupid/hilarious.It's based on watching matches only !!

BUT ACCO TO ME :

1 Fed needs a double-handed b/h occassionally . his b/h seems to give him problems against guys who hit heavy n steady b/h (Agassi/Safin or lefty f/h - nadal ).
This will give him more control , power in rallies . mOST OF FEDS errors seem to come from b/h ( b/h dumping in the net ). I'm not saying he needs to discard playing his fabulous ( when on )one hander. But just suggssting that a 2-hander will increase his options / control. Though I woder whether it is possible for a player to develop a new style. I must mention that Wilander mentioned in his interview that he developed a one handed b/h in addition tohis staple double-handed later in his career to add variety.

Also when his b/h is not on he seems more desperate to go for f/h winners
resulting in f/h errors also . The 2-handed b/h will also help him negotiate
Nadal's serve better .

2 Secondly , he needs to improve fitness ( he already is very fit ) - get
some more muscle n power .

3 I also feel that he can go for a bit more on his 1 st serves. More muscles
may add a few mph . I get the feel that he serves at 85-90 % of his
potential max speed . And he can add to it without sacrificing accuracy

what do u guys think ? imo A 2-handed b/h would make his game even
more versatile n complete . But is it possible to keep switching between
a 2-handed b/h and a 1-handed b/h ?
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Old 02-23-2006, 04:56 AM   #2
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he needs to work on returning nadal's heavily spun high ball that so irked him at the FO
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Old 02-23-2006, 04:56 AM   #3
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No, at this point he can't add a 2h bh. I'm sure he's never planned it.
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Old 02-23-2006, 05:19 AM   #4
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Not going to be cruel but you don't generally go from one hander to two. particularly if you have as good a one hander as Federer. Contact point\mechanics from one to two are completely different. Sometimes two handed players will have a one handed slice (Moya, Wilander, Maleeva sisters) which they use to change the pace. A lot of two handers will hit slice when pulled wide (ie Roddick) but the ones I mentioned and quite a few others (Hewitt & Murray) use it offensively. I can't think of a single player who hits a one handed topspin shot who would alternate using a two hander.

Muscle adds weight - the ideal physique for tennis is still lean. Bulky players like Philloupousis\S. Williams are very injury prone and tend to have suspect footwork which is a big part of the Federer magic.

Weakest part of Federer's game is definitely serving consistency but it is hardly hurting him.

Because Nadal kicks his serve it may be getting up on Federer's backhand but I doubt Nadal's serving is what really troubles Roger as Nadal has an effective but not overpowering serve.

The Nadal Federer dynamic comes down the issue that Federer is trying to create while Nadal is trying to defend. On clay it is harder to create and easier to defend. Federer excels on fast surfaces which allow him to create winners and forced errors but on clay that is much harder to do - a closely contested clay court match will usually have more errors than winners and almost never the kind of ratio you would get off a fast surface like grass.
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To be honest there’s not a lot Federer can improve. His game is unbelievably sound; he dominates from the back of the court, and at net. Take a look at the 2004 Wimbledon Final for instance; Roddick was beating him in the baseline battles, so Federer then changed his tactics and played the majority of the game at net. The game turned around, and Federer won the title. And considering he basically spent an entire year without a coach and still enjoyed plenty of success, I don’t think there’s many areas he can improve.
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The two aspects of his fabulous game that sometimes are suspect are his volley and his backhand. He got beaten by players with very good BH and one lefty in 2005 because he couldn't stand their consistency in the BH diagonal. Regarding volley it can be quite erratic at times as we have seen in AO this year. But this is a very demanding task to develop a consistent volley when it's not your basic strategy like Henman or Dent. It's quite antinomic to the groundstrokes, from high to low vs. low to high. But as Fed's B game is already better than most of the guys' A game, Federer is safe in the technical department and shouldn't bother too much to make drastic changes like going to a two-hander. However, I think it's clever to work with Roche on the volley game because he's currently in his prime and can sustain long rallies, but in 2-3 years he will need to shorten the points to win slams, like Sampras, and that requires some good net game.
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Old 02-24-2006, 04:43 AM   #7
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The two aspects of his fabulous game that sometimes are suspect are his volley and his backhand. He got beaten by players with very good BH and one lefty in 2005 because he couldn't stand their consistency in the BH diagonal. Regarding volley it can be quite erratic at times as we have seen in AO this year. But this is a very demanding task to develop a consistent volley when it's not your basic strategy like Henman or Dent. It's quite antinomic to the groundstrokes, from high to low vs. low to high. But as Fed's B game is already better than most of the guys' A game, Federer is safe in the technical department and shouldn't bother too much to make drastic changes like going to a two-hander. However, I think it's clever to work with Roche on the volley game because he's currently in his prime and can sustain long rallies, but in 2-3 years he will need to shorten the points to win slams, like Sampras, and that requires some good net game.
I have officially given up my life long commitment to atheism and, while I'm typing this, I am praying like a Nun at a porn convention that your prediction never comes to pass. No pleaase don't let Federer turn into tennis' #1 boring player of all time: Pete Sampras - no amount of winning can justify that level of dullness.

Other than that I agree he is wise to work on his volley. I am not a fan of one handers but I gotta say I find his backhand very sound - to me it doesn't shake under pressure but I didn't see him play on clay much last year.
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Old 02-24-2006, 05:03 AM   #8
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Not going to be cruel but you don't generally go from one hander to two. particularly if you have as good a one hander as Federer. Contact point\mechanics from one to two are completely different. Sometimes two handed players will have a one handed slice (Moya, Wilander, Maleeva sisters) which they use to change the pace. A lot of two handers will hit slice when pulled wide (ie Roddick) but the ones I mentioned and quite a few others (Hewitt & Murray) use it offensively. I can't think of a single player who hits a one handed topspin shot who would alternate using a two hander.

Muscle adds weight - the ideal physique for tennis is still lean. Bulky players like Philloupousis\S. Williams are very injury prone and tend to have suspect footwork which is a big part of the Federer magic.

Weakest part of Federer's game is definitely serving consistency but it is hardly hurting him.

Because Nadal kicks his serve it may be getting up on Federer's backhand but I doubt Nadal's serving is what really troubles Roger as Nadal has an effective but not overpowering serve.

The Nadal Federer dynamic comes down the issue that Federer is trying to create while Nadal is trying to defend. On clay it is harder to create and easier to defend. Federer excels on fast surfaces which allow him to create winners and forced errors but on clay that is much harder to do - a closely contested clay court match will usually have more errors than winners and almost never the kind of ratio you would get off a fast surface like grass.
Sorry was late in replying . Got the point about muscles n build.( though I was suggessting a Nadal like build ) .

Also I wonder when Fed is also pretty good at defence why does he also not play so and keep grinding and attack only when there is the right opportunity .Is it b'cos his game is that way or is it b'cos he feels thats the right way against Nadal . Frankly I dont understand much of the technical aspects of shotmaking but I 've the gut feel that Nadal is going to give Fed a real hard time in future . What is FEds strategy for playing him would be interesting to see !
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To be honest there’s not a lot Federer can improve. His game is unbelievably sound; he dominates from the back of the court, and at net. Take a look at the 2004 Wimbledon Final for instance; Roddick was beating him in the baseline battles, so Federer then changed his tactics and played the majority of the game at net. The game turned around, and Federer won the title. And considering he basically spent an entire year without a coach and still enjoyed plenty of success, I don’t think there’s many areas he can improve.

Probably he doesnt need to and maybe thats his highest level ( every guy has a limit however phenomenal it may be ) .

But lets discuss it HYPOTHETICALLY . As an amateur fan and Tennis watcher ( who hasnt actually played the game ) I made a few observations .What do U think abou them ? ( Obviously Roche knows what he's saying and there is no questioning that ) . Can u ( If practice hard) employ both 1-handed n 2-handed b/h s or is it utter harakiri ( And an absurdity to even think of )?
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No, at this point he can't add a 2h bh. I'm sure he's never planned it.
HYPOTHETICALLY if he had tried right from his early years :

1 Would it lend him any advantage or would it be a disadvantage ?

2 Is it almost impossible to do so ( irrespective of however early u u try to )?

3 Is it a totally worthless pursuit ?
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how can you play one-handed and two-handed backhand?
has there been any player in history who has done this (and of course i do not mean slice backhand)?
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he needs to improve 1h backhand, needs to improve forehand slice
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he needs to work on returning nadal's heavily spun high ball that so irked him at the FO
HOW ? I mean what work he should do ? Practice like hell returning those serves the way he was doing then to gain consistency ? Or practice / employ some other strategy ?
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I think his backhand has improved alot over the last few years as everyone would hit it to that side.

As for a double-handed backhand, I don't think he needs it, he makes most of his errors with his backhand but so do most players with a one handed backhand.

I also think he needs to get into the gym. You see the bodies of Nadal and Hewitt and if Federer could put on some muscle he'd be even harder to beat.
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how can you play one-handed and two-handed backhand?
has there been any player in history who has done this (and of course i do not mean slice backhand)?

Well obviously me n u havent seen anyone do that . And I'm sure no one else has either seen anybody do that as no player in history has done that ?

Can it be tried ?
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