View Poll Results: Is choking exagerated?
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08-07-2007, 10:47 PM
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Re: Meaning of the word " Choke "
A choke isn't necessarily being up 6-0, 5-1 and lose the match. It can be "chokish" when you take the win for granted, play the wrong tactic all of a sudden and get to passive. An example of that is Canas recent loss to PHM being up 6-4, 4-0. IMO he didn't choked it out, just lost the momentum and PHM played really loose and made crazy winners. Canas got a little chocked and confused but didn't choke in the words true meaning.
A great recent example of a choke is Monfils against Isner in Washington. Monfils broke Isner's serve for the first time in the match at 5-5 in the final set. He had "only" to serve it out, but got tight and nervous, failed to get a single first serve in, played way too passive and made UE. A classic choke IMO.
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08-08-2007, 02:28 AM
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Re: Meaning of the word " Choke "
Tennis is not a game - it is a series of chokes. Therefore it applies to every single match played. Even winners are chokes from the other guy. Choker!
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08-08-2007, 02:31 AM
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Re: Meaning of the word " Choke "
Getting tight and nervous when leading or especially when being just about to win the match etc., is my definition of a choke  |
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08-08-2007, 02:53 AM
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Re: Meaning of the word " Choke "
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Originally Posted by bad gambler
Federer choked when he received the Australian Open trophy from Rocket Laver in 2006
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He also forgot how to speak English when he received that trophy from Rod if I remember correctly. 
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08-08-2007, 03:06 AM
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Re: Meaning of the word " Choke "
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Originally Posted by bad gambler
Federer choked when he received the Australian Open trophy from Rocket Laver in 2006
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08-08-2007, 05:15 AM
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Re: Meaning of the word " Choke "
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Originally Posted by laure xxx
He also forgot how to speak English when he received that trophy from Rod if I remember correctly. |
"Overwhelmed" may be the word to describe Fed at that particular moment. |
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08-08-2007, 05:32 AM
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Re: Meaning of the word " Choke "
Hmm, I agree the word is over-used but I wouldn't go as far as saying a player needs to have MPs or needs to be a set and a break up. Take Verdasco, for instance, Davis Cup against Roddick he goes 5-2 up in the first set and then sprays UEs all over the place. And this is typical of the man, he doesn't need to be close to the finishing line to start choking. Sometimes he's up an early break in a set and loses his nerve very quickly.
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08-08-2007, 05:37 AM
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Re: Meaning of the word " Choke "
Choke=what happens to Nadal when he eats a banana between matches
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08-08-2007, 06:02 AM
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Re: Meaning of the word " Choke "
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Originally Posted by Andreas Du Rieux
Not a choke at all.
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How can you give the Ginepri-Mantilla match as a prime example of choking and label this one as "not a choke at all", because Ginepri lead 5:0 in the 2nd and Canas "only" 4:0 with a chance to go up 5:0? :retard:
Any player leading by a set and a double break and ending-up losing the match is necessarily a choke, let alone a plyer like Canas whose serve is more than enough to win him some free points.
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It's a sport after all and while it is very important for the players, the only reason they make money (and I mean tennis as a whole) it's because it's entertainment for us, the fans. So if we're watching, I rather watch something that pleases the eye, who gives a shit if a BOSS hotass model takes 5 more seconds in geting the ball to the player in Madrid? I'd rather wait those extra 5 seconds seeing those boobies bounce than watching some fatass kid burn away his bigmac meal.
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08-08-2007, 06:12 AM
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Re: Meaning of the word " Choke "
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Originally Posted by Rogiman
How can you give the Ginepri-Mantilla match as a prime example of choking and label this one as "not a choke at all", because Ginepri lead 5:0 in the 2nd and Canas "only" 4:0 with a chance to go up 5:0? :retard:
Any player leading by a set and a double break and ending-up losing the match is necessarily a choke, let alone a plyer like Canas whose serve is more than enough to win him some free points.
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First of all did you watch the Canas/Mathieu match? Second of all these were different matches with different kinds of players. I am a huge Mantilla fan, but if you are honest with yourself, then he isn't going to start blasting winners from both sides of the court is he? He has never done that and I had a friend of mine at this match and Mantilla played like he normally did and fought even harder and wasn't blasting winners like Mathieu was in his match.
Canas was guilty of being passive and expecting Mathieu to continue making errors and when Paulo adjusted, he wasn't able to keep up, naturally he is experienced enough to have known to put the guy away, but he failed to do that and this was down to choking, he slowed down on serve and had a concentration lapse and got punished.
Conclusion, just cause the scores were similar, the circumstances weren't at all.
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Originally Posted by Filo V.
I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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09-10-2007, 03:48 AM
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Re: Meaning of the word " Choke "
The misuse of the word "choke", no wonder it made the MTF laws.
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“ On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".
Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".
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Originally Posted by Filo V.
I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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09-11-2007, 09:33 AM
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Re: Meaning of the word " Choke "
Pete Sampras said after he defeated Rafter in the Wimbledon final to get his 7th title there and his 13th overall GS title:
''We all choke,'' said Sampras, who wound up with 12 double-faults. ''No matter who you are, you just get in the heat of the moment. The title could be won or lost in a matter of a couple of shots."
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He’s such a pure, class act. In other words, he’s humble. Yet he does not need to be.
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09-11-2007, 11:04 AM
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Re: Meaning of the word " Choke "
And some people call it a choke only when the player hits unforced errors or double faults. Choking also includes hitting the ball softly and without depth to the center of the court, using pathetic and inefficient tactics and serving second serves as first serves.
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12-09-2011, 07:57 AM
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Is choking as a phenomenon greatly exagerated in mens tennis?
Theres no doubt choking exists to some extent, though I feel 95% of the time it is used as an adjective it isnt really applied properly.
What do you think?
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Meaning of the word " Choke "
