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Old 08-07-2007, 05:11 AM   #46
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Coria @ FO 2004: leading the final 6-0, 6-3, 4-3 & bps in the next game, plus mps in the 5th set!
That was one of the chokes of the last decade!

McEnroe @ FO 1984: ~~this match is legendary!! Bad Mac just couldn`t keep it together & to lose against choker Lendl made it all the more dramatic!!
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Old 08-07-2007, 12:13 PM   #47
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"Choke" best applies to a situation when a player had the match already wrapped up, when at the last minute "something" came up, resulting in a different ending. One "classic" example may be a match in which Player A was leading 6-0, 6-0, 6-5 in the first 3 sets, but after the battlesmoke had cleared, it was Player B who came out on top (winning the remaining sets, 7-6, 7-6, 7-6). I believe this has happened a number of times before. Comparable with the Roddick-Gasquet FO semifinals match perhaps?
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"Choke" best applies to a situation when a player had the match already wrapped up, when at the last minute "something" came up, resulting in a different ending. One "classic" example may be a match in which Player A was leading 6-0, 6-0, 6-5 in the first 3 sets, but after the battlesmoke had cleared, it was Player B who came out on top (winning the remaining sets, 7-6, 7-6, 7-6). I believe this has happened a number of times before. Comparable with the Roddick-Gasquet FO semifinals match perhaps?
It was in Wimbledon and Roddick did not choke in my understanding of the word.
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It was in Wimbledon and Roddick did not choke in my understanding of the word.
Wimbledon, yes. Thanks.
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I always think of a choke as a player who is on the brink of winning, and suddenly can't either close the match, or lets his opponent back in so that his opponent wins the match. I can't see how losing a set from 5-1 up is a choke, because your opponent could just be swinging at the ball and coming up lucky, as they feel they have nothing to lose. But when you are in a sure position of winning, your opponent looks dead and buried and then suddenly you cock up or something, then as far as i'm concerned that's a choke.
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obviously the word choke is overused big time here.
But there was an example of a choke recently: Calleri leading 6-0 5-1 i think and still lost
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obviously the word choke is overused big time here.
But there was an example of a choke recently: Calleri leading 6-0 5-1 i think and still lost
I typed that earlier about Calleri/Koubek.
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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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Choke is the feeling that someone gets when the stress and anxiety is really high and the feeling of choking is present. That feels like a psychological choke and the whole body feels like paralysed.

A player chokes imo when at some important points of the match he can't live up to the expectation of the moment and gets that "choking" feeling which leads to stupid mistakes and a loss.
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Choke is the feeling that someone gets when the stress and anxiety is really high and the feeling of choking is present. That feels like a psychological choke and the whole body feels like paralysed.

A player chokes imo when at some important points of the match he can't live up to the expectation of the moment and gets that "choking" feeling which leads to stupid mistakes and a loss.
This is the typical choke as most of us would envision it, but there is also the reverse i.e. when someone is so sure of winning and overconfident that he or she spontaneously does something silly that ends up resulting in defeat. I can't think of any specific tennis examples but there was one famous incident at the last Winter Olympics when a female downhill snowboarder (whose name escapes me now) had a huge lead in the gold medal run. With the finish line literally a few metres away and none of her fellow competitors even in the camera shot, she decided to do a fancy jump and fell flat on her face By the time she had gotten back up to complete the race someone had already passed her and she barely managed to hang onto a medal, let alone losing the gold.
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This is the typical choke as most of us would envision it, but there is also the reverse i.e. when someone is so sure of winning and overconfident that he or she spontaneously does something silly that ends up resulting in defeat. I can't think of any specific tennis examples but there was one famous incident at the last Winter Olympics when a female downhill snowboarder (whose name escapes me now) had a huge lead in the gold medal run. With the finish line literally a few metres away and none of her fellow competitors even in the camera shot, she decided to do a fancy jump and fell flat on her face By the time she had gotten back up to complete the race someone had already passed her and she barely managed to hang onto a medal, let alone losing the gold.
Well that wouldn't be called a choke but overconfident stupidity
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Choke is the feeling that someone gets when the stress and anxiety is really high and the feeling of choking is present. That feels like a psychological choke and the whole body feels like paralysed.

A player chokes imo when at some important points of the match he can't live up to the expectation of the moment and gets that "choking" feeling which leads to stupid mistakes and a loss.
Agreed. You get into a winning position, get nervous (tight) and can't execute your shots anymore. Everything goes downhill from there. That's a choke. Period.
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Choke is the feeling that someone gets when the stress and anxiety is really high and the feeling of choking is present. That feels like a psychological choke and the whole body feels like paralysed.

A player chokes imo when at some important points of the match he can't live up to the expectation of the moment and gets that "choking" feeling which leads to stupid mistakes and a loss.
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Calleri vs. Koubek plus Coria vs. Gaudio as explained before.

Acasuso vs. Ferrer in Stuttgart last year, Chucho leading 2 sets to 1 and up 5-1 in the 4th and served for twice and got tentative and realised it was going to be his biggest tournament win and shat himself.

You get the meaning of the word.
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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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I typed that earlier about Calleri/Koubek.
well please forgive me mister moderator, i didn't read all four pages..
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well please forgive me mister moderator, i didn't read all four pages..
It's not like it's a massive thread.
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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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