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View Poll Results: Is choking exagerated?

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Old 11-06-2005, 09:50 PM   #16
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Also the fact is his serve was pretty weak at that point, and a break didn't mean a huge amount. Plus Federer upped his level in the middle of the 3rd set.
Federer upped his level enough to win that 3rd set, it had nothing to do with Nadal getting tight and choking away his lead there. Anyway we all know many people will disagree
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Old 11-06-2005, 11:16 PM   #17
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Default Re: Meaning of the word " Choke "

Choke=
Being up a break or more in a set and losing it and/or
Being up two sets to love and losing

A choke is not being up one set to love but being up a set and a break is a choke.
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Old 11-06-2005, 11:27 PM   #18
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Yes, it seems most posters understand the definition. Still, many will say "Choke" when they are angry that their player lost.

I can only think of a few instances of choking. I do not intend to offend your favorite player. But Coria in French Open 2004 set 3, I think he himself will agree to that. Rafter in Wimbledon final against Sampras, 1 set and 4-1 up in the 2nd tie breaker (he has also said it). Jana Novotna against Steffi


EDIT: After I post this, while I cooked my dinner I was thinking about it futher, and realized one more which I should be fair and mention as a possible choke. I don't konw if he has said that, but Roge's loss in Davis Cup to leyton, after being 2 sets up and a break. For me, this was a day of great tears. But the beauty of this example is that Roge learned from it and -- lets see, is there anyone mentall stronger on tour now than he?

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Old 11-07-2005, 12:27 AM   #19
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choke = on wtaworld.com, it's everytime Momo looses

but that wasn't the case today
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Old 11-07-2005, 01:37 AM   #20
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Years after Graf beat Novotna at Wimbledon 1997, where Novotna was up a set and 4-1 in the 2nd and then lost the match, a reporter asked Graf about Novotna choking.

Graf's reply was something along the lines of "I can't speak about choking. What I can tell you is that you need experience to know how to win in that situation."

Perhaps Graf doesn't believe in choking. Perhaps she thinks that winning is about how to cope with your emotions and use your mind in a given situation and that experience is absolutely necessary to know what to do. Perhaps Graf was being kind to an old rival. All that aside, it changed the way I see the game and the players.
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This bump goes out for MANGOES.
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Old 12-04-2005, 06:11 PM   #22
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good moment for bumping this thread
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For the clowns who don't get the usage of choke an example.

Calleri leads Massu 6-2 5-1 in the 2002 Buenos Aires final and loses, there wasn't an injury to Calleri in this match and this is a good example of choking.
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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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Old 02-19-2006, 01:07 PM   #24
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we need master examples of chokers

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we need master examples of chokers

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Old 02-19-2006, 03:09 PM   #26
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Completely agree with post #1 what IvanLjubicic says. Some people here go around and call choke almost every lost match. When somebody is leading 2-0 and loses the set it is called choke. Agassi def. Blake at USO 05 was mentioned multiple times in the "biggest choke of all time" thread when both guys played an outstanding match and the winner to unforced error ratio being 3:1. When Haas lost serve to Ginepri in the fifth set at USO 05 I had a little dispute with Deivid who called it a choke, there was nothing to choke for Haas and he lost to a better man who took the possibilities and who won his points in the fifth set and who went on to make the semis of a Slam. Lots of more examples and not everything is a choke, not every defeat of a favourite is a choke...
Not true, Agassi had one more error than winners in that match.

I think a choke can be a lot of things.

Because someone is up 5-3 and loses, doesn't mean it's a choke. And because someone never led, doesn't mean it's not a choke.

When Mauresmo lost to Jana Kandarr in the first round of the French Open 5-7 5-7 after winning two big warm up events, that was a choke.

A choke is when one player is poised for victory, and loses it on account of their own poor play. Whether is be double faults, can't get a first serve in, making unforced errors that they normally don't, or not going for their shots.

When Elena Likhovtseva lost to Mary Pierce after being up 6-0 in the tiebreak, it was a choke. Mary hit winners, but she was able to hit them because Likhovtseva stopped hitting her shots and gave Mary sitters.

To me, there has to be no or little clear improvement in their opponents play for it to be deemed a choke.
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choking = making final after final and losing time and time again to really crappy players that you can beat easily in any other round of a tournament
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choking = making final after final and losing time and time again to really crappy players that you can beat easily in any other round of a tournament
Let's hope Mario can beat Jarkko in Rotterdam next week, it's 1st rd after all.
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you dreaming MariaV...Mario will lose that match
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Good to see the meaning is still lost on what choking actually is.
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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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