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Old 10-21-2005, 03:53 AM   #46
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Default Re: The "allez Andy, you cancancan do it" Lyon and Paris thread

OK, I've done a comparison chart of the top ten players, and Andy seems like he's had a relatively good year...

http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/entrysystem/

#1. Federer --19 tournaments, W-L: 77-3, 11 titles. Points: 6975.
#2. Nadal -- 24 tournaments, W-L: 74-10, 10 titles. Points: 4475.
#3. Roddick -- 20 tournaments, W-L: 51-12, 4 titles. Points: 3115.
#4. Hewitt -- 18 tournaments, W-L: 37-9, 1 title. Points: 3015.
#5. Safin -- 18 tournaments, W-L: 27-11, 1 title. Points: 2990.
#6. Agassi -- 18 tournaments, W-L: 38-11, 1 title. Points: 2640.
#7. Coria -- 21 tournaments, W-L: 53-21, 1 title. Points: 2110.
#8. Davydenko -- 29 tournaments, W-L: 48-26, 1 title. Points: 2000.
#9. Nalbandian -- 20 tournaments, W-L: 34-15, 1 title. Points: 1905.
#10. Puerta -- 30 tournaments, W-L: 36-20, 1 title. Points: 1784.

Andy's right where he's supposed to be, I guess.
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Old 10-21-2005, 03:55 AM   #47
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yea Noelle, I don't think anyone's saying his year hasn't been ok. It's just all the matches he should've won - the three where he had MP, the one where he was up 2-0 sets, or a set and a break or a set and two TBs or the set points and stuff. It's that his year could have, and should have, been so much better. That's what makes me sad

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Old 10-21-2005, 03:58 AM   #48
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Yeah, I did the comparison for another forum and decided I had to share it with all of you. Fresh start and all that.
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OK, I've done a comparison chart of the top ten players, and Andy seems like he's had a relatively good year...

http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/entrysystem/

#1. Federer --19 tournaments, W-L: 77-3, 11 titles. Points: 6975.
#2. Nadal -- 24 tournaments, W-L: 74-10, 10 titles. Points: 4475.
#3. Roddick -- 20 tournaments, W-L: 51-12, 4 titles. Points: 3115.
#4. Hewitt -- 18 tournaments, W-L: 37-9, 1 title. Points: 3015.
#5. Safin -- 18 tournaments, W-L: 27-11, 1 title. Points: 2990.
#6. Agassi -- 18 tournaments, W-L: 38-11, 1 title. Points: 2640.
#7. Coria -- 21 tournaments, W-L: 53-21, 1 title. Points: 2110.
#8. Davydenko -- 29 tournaments, W-L: 48-26, 1 title. Points: 2000.
#9. Nalbandian -- 20 tournaments, W-L: 34-15, 1 title. Points: 1905.
#10. Puerta -- 30 tournaments, W-L: 36-20, 1 title. Points: 1784.

Andy's right where he's supposed to be, I guess.
All this and Andy is playing the worst tennis he's played in 3 years. Pretty crazy huh . So you could just imagine how much of a BETTER year he could be having right now if he showed up and won the matches he should have won, etc.
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Old 10-21-2005, 04:10 AM   #50
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All this and Andy is playing the worst tennis he's played in 3 years. Pretty crazy huh . So you could just imagine how much of a BETTER year he could be having right now if he showed up and won the matches he should have won, etc.
Yep, exactly.
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Okay Andy, little steps. Let's win your first match in Lyon, then we'll work from there. Baby steps.
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Andy's set that bar high himself. It's up to him to dig himself out of this rut and hit the bar again.

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All this and Andy is playing the worst tennis he's played in 3 years. Pretty crazy huh . So you could just imagine how much of a BETTER year he could be having right now if he showed up and won the matches he should have won, etc.
Didn't we and he himself say that about 2004 as well? True - the way Federer was performing was simply sensational, and coming 2nd to a guy who was almost unbeatable was nothing to be ashamed of. But, look at the gap there...

This year, Andy has drifted even further off Fed. I think it's save to say that Federer matched his 2004 performance (almost, anyways) - and he should've done better. There's so many matches that he's thrown away - starting from last year's TMC semis against Hewitt, which still bugs me...

I mean - just, imagine what if he's played like we all know he can and win all those matches that he should have won...
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Default Re: The "allez Andy, you cancancan do it" Lyon and Paris thread

Yeah, he has said that. And yeah, its true. I mean, we say he has had a horrible year this year, but thats not true compared to ATP players in general, or even anyone in the top ten not including Rafa and Roger who are just tennis freaks of nature or something. It's just that WE KNOW and HE KNOWS that he can be better. A couple of those tough losses he had where he could have won would have made a HUGE difference. But still, its not like Andy has fallen way off the charts or anything. He just needs to step it up, win those big matches (and um, not lose in the first round, kthanks) and we can hope that Roger and Rafa don't have repeat years lol.
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The only players Andy's lost to who were in the top 50 at the time he played them were Federer (finals of Wimby and Cincy), Hewitt (SF of AO and IW) and Acasuso (who was ranked 49th at the time of RG). That's depressing. And if you feel bad for Andy, think of Andre and how great his year would be were it not for playing Fed 4 times this year (losing 1 QF, 2SF and 1F). Andre is 38-11 this year, and only 2 of those 11 losses were to players outside top 50. That's what's so frustrating about Andy is losing matches he SHOULD be winning because he IS the better player. It's one thing to lose in the finals to Fed, but to lose in R1 to players like Massu and Muller (who then get their ass kicked in the next round) just makes you want to
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Yes, basically.
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When does the draw for Lyon come out?
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About 4 hours from now (plus however long it takes them to actually get it up on the net)
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OK, I've done a comparison chart of the top ten players, and Andy seems like he's had a relatively good year...

http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/entrysystem/

#1. Federer --19 tournaments, W-L: 77-3, 11 titles. Points: 6975.
#2. Nadal -- 24 tournaments, W-L: 74-10, 10 titles. Points: 4475.
#3. Roddick -- 20 tournaments, W-L: 51-12, 4 titles. Points: 3115.
#4. Hewitt -- 18 tournaments, W-L: 37-9, 1 title. Points: 3015.
#5. Safin -- 18 tournaments, W-L: 27-11, 1 title. Points: 2990.
#6. Agassi -- 18 tournaments, W-L: 38-11, 1 title. Points: 2640.
#7. Coria -- 21 tournaments, W-L: 53-21, 1 title. Points: 2110.
#8. Davydenko -- 29 tournaments, W-L: 48-26, 1 title. Points: 2000.
#9. Nalbandian -- 20 tournaments, W-L: 34-15, 1 title. Points: 1905.
#10. Puerta -- 30 tournaments, W-L: 36-20, 1 title. Points: 1784.

Andy's right where he's supposed to be, I guess.


At the 'tournament' totals. For example, Roger's only played 14 tournaments this year (plus a DC effort). That would make sense...11 titles + 3 losses = 14 tourneys. Are they perhaps mixing the points race (which is a rolling 12-month thing) versus a calendar year?
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At the 'tournament' totals. For example, Roger's only played 14 tournaments this year (plus a DC effort). That would make sense...11 titles + 3 losses = 14 tourneys. Are they perhaps mixing the points race (which is a rolling 12-month thing) versus a calendar year?
Seems that the tourney totals, and the point totals are based on the entry system, but the win-loss is just for this year....
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