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Old 08-10-2005, 07:54 PM   #16
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[quote=Jim Jones]You said probably voted for Bush. the word probably is stronger than might and so you almost assume that she voted for Bush.
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your probly g@y. is that true?
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Now be careful or nimitz will start calling you homophobic
Nah I'm straight. And Nimitz I've answered your question. Those people are extremists, they just want to stir trouble and use the military mum for their cause. What does she want, for Bush to tell her what her son died for? Is that really worth it, it's stupid if you aslk me. Her son joined the army and in doing that he should be ready to fight for his country. I would and if I was American I would join the navy or Army which have the best forces in the world. By the way I like the title which implies that one should be shocked to see Bush ignore the Military Mum. Why should he meet her, did she come alone, was she ready to listen to Bush? For those of us who are naive the answer is no.
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note he [Bush] was born and lived most of his life in New England.
That is untrue. While President Bush was born in Connecticut, he moved to Texas as a young child and has lived there his entire adult life (except for college and the presidency).
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Cindy Sheehan is not a 'left-wing extremist' of any type. She was actually fairly apolitical until her son died and the reports began to come out of the real mess that Iraq has become.

Quagmire accomplished. Worst President since the civil war, no doubt.
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What have you said! Hey shes extremist because she didnt come alone dude you know nothing. do you even know the groups she went with did you even know why she's particularly pissed at the president. her son died two weeks into his stay in Iraq. The army that you lcaim you want to join is underprotected and thrust into a guerilla war with people who loathe them. for every insurgent killed hundreds more join the fight from Syria. she wants her president to explain why he had to be sent to a war. but above all he is hiding from the families of the soldiers killed. No matter how many speeches on sacrifice that he spews he doesnt know the sarifice that Cindy Sheehan knows.
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Sometimes war is a necessary evil. Sheehan is not the only person who lost a son to war. There are those who lost children who fought as soldiers in Iraq and who still support the war. Sheehan is no more important than they are. I wanted Saddam to be overthrown befor even Iraq was making headlines. I also wanted Arisitide, Charles Taylor and Milosevic to be overthrown. For some of these leaders, the U.S. was responsible albeit in an indirect way for them to be overthrown. Clinton also was involved in wars, do you support mothers of dead soldiers going to his place in Arkansas for the war in Yugoslavia? U.S. soldeirs were involved.

Hey Nimitz, I said that her group was a bunch of extremists. She probably is one too. Yes you can lose a child who fought in a war and be an extremist. Ok, love to chat but have to head back to work.
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Apparently, she met with Bush previously.

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PROTESTING SOLDIER MOM CHANGED STORY ON BUSH
Mon Aug 08 2005 10:11:07 ET

The mother of a fallen U.S. soldier who is holding a roadside peace vigil near President Bush's ranch -- has dramatically changed her account about what happened when she met the commander-in-chief last summer!

Cindy Sheehan, 48, of Vacaville, Calif., who last year praised Bush for bringing her family the "gift of happiness," took to the nation's TV outlets this weekend to declare how Bush "killed an indispensable part of our family and humanity."

CINDY 2004

THE REPORTER of Vacaville, CA published an account of Cindy Sheehan's visit with the president at Fort Lewis near Seattle on June 24, 2004:

"'I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis,' Cindy said after their meeting. 'I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith.'

"The meeting didn't last long, but in their time with Bush, Cindy spoke about Casey and asked the president to make her son's sacrifice count for something. They also spoke of their faith.

"The trip had one benefit that none of the Sheehans expected.

"For a moment, life returned to the way it was before Casey died. They laughed, joked and bickered playfully as they briefly toured Seattle.

For the first time in 11 weeks, they felt whole again.

"'That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' Cindy said."

CINDY 2005

Sheehan's current comments are a striking departure.

In an interview Sunday on CNN, she claimed Bush "acted like it was party" when she met him.

"It was -- you know, there was a lot of things said. We wanted to use the time for him to know that he killed an indispensable part of our family and humanity. And we wanted him to look at the pictures of Casey.

"He wouldn't look at the pictures of Casey. He didn't even know Casey's name. He came in the room and the very first thing he said is, 'So who are we honoring here?' He didn't even know Casey's name. He didn't want to hear it. He didn't want to hear anything about Casey. He wouldn't even call him 'him' or 'he.' He called him 'your loved one.'

Every time we tried to talk about Casey and how much we missed him, he would change the subject. And he acted like it was a party.

BLITZER: Like a party? I mean...

SHEEHAN: Yes, he came in very jovial, and like we should be happy that he, our son, died for his misguided policies. He didn't even pretend like somebody...
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Article Launched: 08/08/2005 12:39:00 PM

In the eye of a political storm
By Tom Hall/Staff Writer


Last summer Cindy Sheehan got a face-to-face meeting with President Bush, complete with kisses and condolences.

Today the Vacaville resident is camped outside the president's Texas ranch -- in the glare of the national media spotlight -- demanding another face-to-face meeting, and ultimately his impeachment.

Sheehan's son Casey, an Army specialist, was killed in Sadr City, Iraq, in April 2004. Eleven weeks later, the Sheehan family traveled to Seattle for a 10-minute conversation with the president, who met with 16 other families who had lost love ones in Iraq.

In the ensuing months, Cindy Sheehan has become a focal point in the ongoing partisan battle over the Iraq war, drawing the praise of many anti-war Democrats and the ire of Republicans who back Bush's decision.

Sheehan's role in that battle exploded Monday morning, when Matt Drudge - the infamous commentator behind the popular Drudge Report, a right-leaning online news site - accused Sheehan of changing her tune to serve political purposes.

Drudge's story, headlined "Protesting Soldier Mom Changed Story on Bush' and posted in the highest slot on the Web site that receives more than 5 million visits per day, pulled quotes from a Sheehan interview published June 24, 2004, in The Reporter.

That story, by staff writer David Henson, was an account of Sheehan's visit with the president in Seattle.

In Henson's story, Sheehan spoke of how she and husband, Patrick, debated before the meeting whether to ask pointed questions about the war and whether to vent frustration over their son's sacrifice. Ultimately, the Sheehans decided not to criticize Bush in the meeting.

Afterward, Cindy Sheehan told Henson of a new-found respect toward Bush.

"I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis,' she said in the story. "I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith.'

Sheehan also said the trip to Seattle helped connect her family


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to others that had lost a son or daughter in Iraq. Sheehan said sharing their story with those families was rewarding, as was the time she got to spend with her own family.

"That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' she said in the story.

Drudge included that quote in his Monday morning report, but didn't explain that it referred to sharing time with her familiy, not the president.

Drudge also included most recent quotes from Sheehan highly critical of Bush and the 2004 meeting, including a statement the mother made Sunday to CNN.

"Every time we tried to talk about Casey and how much we missed him, he would change the subject,' Sheehan told correspondent Wolf Blitzer of the cable news network. "And he acted like it was a party.'

Drudge's report fueled opinions on both sides of the political spectrum Monday.

Posters on highly visited liberal Web log Daily Kos said Drudge's report was misleading, while right-wing bloggers, including the popular Michelle Malkin, echoed Drudge's sentiments that Sheehan was contradicting herself, perhaps for political reasons.

The Reporter decided to post Henson's 2004 story on www.thereporter.com today.

"It's important that readers see the full context of the story, instead of just selected portions,' said Editor Diane Barney. "We stand by the story as an accurate reflection of the Sheehan's take on the meeting at the time it was published.'

The Sheehan family could not be reached for comment.
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And this is the original story about Sheehan's meeting with Bush, republished in the same newspaper.

Article Launched: 06/24/2004 06:00:00 AM

Bush, Sheehans share moments
By David Henson/Staff Writer



Since learning in April that their son, Army Spc. Casey Sheehan, had been killed in Iraq, life has been everything but normal for the Sheehan family of Vacaville.
Casey's parents, Cindy and Patrick, as well as their three children, have attended event after event honoring the soldier both locally and abroad, received countless letters of support and fielded questions from reporters across the country.

"That's the way our whole lives have been since April 4," Patrick said. "It's been surreal."

But none of that prepared the family for the message left on their answering machine last week, inviting them to have a face-to-face meeting with President George W. Bush at Fort Lewis near Seattle.

Surreal soon seemed like an understatement, as the Sheehans - one of 17 families who met Thursday with Bush - were whisked in a matter of days to the Army post and given the VIP treatment from the military. But as their meeting with the president approached, the family was faced with a dilemma as to what to say when faced with Casey's commander-in-chief.

"We haven't been happy with the way the war has been handled," Cindy said. "The president has changed his reasons for being over there every time a reason is proven false or an objective reached."

The 10 minutes of face time with the president could have given the family a chance to vent their frustrations or ask Bush some of the difficult questions they have been asking themselves, such as whether Casey's sacrifice would make the world a safer place.

But in the end, the family decided against such talk, deferring to how they believed Casey would have wanted them to act. In addition, Pat noted that Bush wasn't stumping for votes or trying to gain a political edge for the upcoming election.

"We have a lot of respect for the office of the president, and I have a new respect for him because he was sincere and he didn't have to take the time to meet with us," Pat said.

Sincerity was something Cindy had hoped to find in the meeting. Shortly after Casey died, Bush sent the family a form letter expressing his condolences, and Cindy said she felt it was an impersonal gesture.

"I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis," Cindy said after their meeting. "I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith."

The meeting didn't last long, but in their time with Bush, Cindy spoke about Casey and asked the president to make her son's sacrifice count for something. They also spoke of their faith.

While meeting with Bush, as well as Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, was an honor, it was almost a tangent benefit of the trip. The Sheehans said they enjoyed meeting the other families of fallen soldiers, sharing stories, contact information, grief and support.

For some, grief was still visceral and raw, while for others it had melted into the background of their lives, the pain as common as breathing. Cindy said she saw her reflection in the troubled eyes of each.

"It's hard to lose a son," she said. "But we (all) lost a son in the Iraqi war."

The trip had one benefit that none of the Sheehans expected.

For a moment, life returned to the way it was before Casey died. They laughed, joked and bickered playfully as they briefly toured Seattle.

For the first time in 11 weeks, they felt whole again.

"That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together," Cindy said.

David Henson can be reached at schools@thereporter.com.
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i've said its not about the physical act of meeting families its about acknowledging in front of the public that people are dying. Why didnt he go to the Ohio memorial for dead soldiers. War is a necessary evil in life and i'm not ragging on any other war except the war on Iraq!
if you compare the overthrowing of Aristide, Taylor and Milosvic to the war in Iraq then you are wrong. They were overthrown by the people of the country with the help of the allied forces. there was no anti-US guerilla war like this.
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there are many articles that say that she flipfloped (a right wing pet phrasae) on the issue orthat she has been 'love-bombed' by the anti-war movement. thats bullshit. she was never for the war and when her son got his calling orders they debated whether or not they would whisk him to Canada (ie just like the draft-dodgers of the infamous Vietnam war) or she would run over him with her car and break his leg.
most people dont join the army because they want to deliberately go fight in Iraq nowadays they join it for the benefits such as the paying of education and the cash bonuses but now even the Army is unable to fill its quota even though the Air Force and Navy are bursting at the seams with recruits. its because people dont wanna be called up for a war they dont believe in.
We can search for thousands of left leaning or right leaning articles that talk about Cindy and her aims.etc but i study political science and i can tell you that the three most politically influential newspaters in the US are the Washington Post, The NY times and the LA times and out of these three, two have come out in full support of her and her 'cronies' standing in a ditch wanting to talk to their president.
Even Nixon when the antiwar supporters had marched up to the White house at the height of the anti-Vietnam movement was overcome by his conscience-yes, Nixon was- and went out to talk to them albeit it was about football he had the balls to face his detractors.
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Thank you so much Socket for exposing the double talk of this woman. I wish the media would give nearly as much time to parents who lost a child who support the war. Nimomunz Milosvic was carpet bombed out that is why we didn't lose any troops. You surely don't suggest we do the same in Iraq??? We still have troops over in Bosnia but I don't see any protests demanding they come home. The Iraqis didn't have the means to oust Saddam on their own. We along with the coalition are doing God's work over in Iraq. If we didn't put our resources and military on the line to help build up some kind of democratic nation there it would never get done. We leave now and it's Taliban part 2. I wonder how many pro-communist groups would get an anti Taliban protest march going on if that happened. Do you know how many Nimomunz? the same number that protested Pol Pot slaughtering a million people after the Vietnam war, the kind of horror we were fighting against. O.
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She spoke to him already and high ranking officials did go out to meet her and her group. That says a lot. She needs to clear up what really happened the first time she meet him or she will lose all of her credibility, as if she hadn't already.
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On March 15, 2005, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi announced that Italy would begin to withdraw its troops from Iraq in September 2005.
On March 15, 137 Ukrainian soldiers arrived home as part of the first group from that country's contingent in Iraq to withdraw from Iraq.
Moldova withdrew its contingent of 12 troops from Iraq in February 2005. The withdrawal had not been previously noted.

The Kingdom of Tonga withdrew its contingent of 40+ troops from Iraq in December 2004. The withdrawal had not been previously noted.

On March 14, 2005, The London Daily Telegraph reported that on March 7, 2005, Dutch military forces in Iraq handed over command in the province Al Muthanna to the British, thereby officially ending its mission in Iraq. It also reported that, as of March 14, 2005, only 200 Dutch troops were reported to still be in the province. They were scheduled to leave Iraq by the end of the month. The Associated Press reported on Mar. 15, that 150 troops had returned home on Feb. 21. The BBC reported on Mar. 15. that another 150 had returned home that day, but 800 troops were still in Iraq.
Ukraine's defense ministry announced that it would begin withdrawing its troops from Iraq on March 15, with the departure of 150 troops.
Poland is slated to withdraw several additional hundred soldiers from Iraq by summer
BBC News reported on Mar. 2, that Ukraine had outlined the timetable fo the withdrawal of its 1,650 or so troops in Iraq. They are to depart the country in three stages set between mid-March and October 2005. During the first phase, 150 troops would leave. They would be later followed by an additional 590 troops. The remaining Ukrainian soldiers are to leave Iraq by mid-October.
A contingent of 558 troops, as well as 40 liaison officers, from Georgia deployed on Mar. 02 for Iraq, via Kuwaitm where they will stay for two weeks. The troops are assigned to the Shavnabada Battalion. As a result, Georgia will have 898 troops in Iraq.
Albania announced on Feb. 25, that it would boost its troop contribution to Iraq by 50 in April 2005 during a regularly scheduled troop rotation.
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But thats besides the case. the case is about the many families that have children who died in the war are going to support her in Crawford. The mainstream media has been slow on many things but they would be hardpressed to find these families. i keep saying that of course i dont expect the president to walk down his driveway and talk to her now. this is just indicative of the way he is reacting to the deaths of us soldiers abroad. he knows if he gets a bunch of families together for a photo op it would backfire on his face. someone will call him a murderer and his 'pristine' image as a war president will have a crack in it.

Cindy Sheehan has no political agenda? She's no Politician she's an Average American Citizen,a Taxpayer, Wife, Mother. she's a woman who honestly feels in her heart she deserves answers, it's her right as a citizen to ask, and expect her questions to be answered. All they can say is her son died for Iraqi Freedom - but only a dittohead brainless person would fall for such mindnumbing rubbish.
This mother is a gem - not just becoz she wants the boys home and the war to end, but because she is making it impossible for the president - and the country - to ignore the overwhelming body count. That small town in Ohio which lost some 20 men at nearly one time a week or so ago was a place any true leader would have sought out to comfort and to support his citizens and rally them in his belief that they did not die in vain. No show. Why? I think it's because Bush probably doesn't believe himself that they died for anything other than oil. In some ways I wish he would do it - for the sake of the brave men who have died and their families. On the other hand I hope he sticks to charcater and does not - because it seems to me that should tell America and the world just what his character truly is:no morals or ethics, without compassion, no scruples and no sincerity
she meant with Bush at a very low point in her life and was perhaps convinced by him. She thought that the gestures he made in that brief moment could be trusted. She thought they were genuine. But now Cindy knows that Bush was being dishonest with her that day. How does she know that? Because she found out that the WHY reason for war was a LIE. And so she would like a second chance to speak with him again and ask him "WHY?"
a radio station down in Texas wanted to hold a anti-Sheehan BBQ and it failed why/ because even in Texas they know that Bush is shit!
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"Please be advised that due to lack of local interest, the pro-troop rally tentatively scheduled by KWTX-AM, KLFX-FM for this coming Saturday will not be taking place. Please tune into KWTX-AM, KLFX-FM on Monday for comprehensive news coverage and commentary on developments related to the Iraq war protest organized by Mrs. Cindy Sheehan, scheduled to be held in Crawford this Saturday. "
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