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Old 07-29-2005, 11:11 PM   #16
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I started a thread about Alberto in the Blast from the Past forum ages ago. His 1994 was great. He won clay court events everywhere from about March-November. Even when he was top 10 he was playing small clay events in Athens and Palermo. I think that grip may have hurt him in the long run though especially as he hit his backhand and forehand with the same side of the racket. He was almost unique on tour in that way.
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Old 07-30-2005, 08:07 AM   #17
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Thats some ill shit!

I think iam in danger! Does i play a hawaiian Grip??
There are ways to strengthen the forearms and wrists, that don't include masturbation.

Well the thing is the deception on the forehand with this is very good as the most opponents can't read it very well, though clowns playing that wimpy slice might irritate you.
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Old 07-30-2005, 10:15 AM   #18
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Yeah,slices are not good for every Westernhitter,but on clay its ok,hall is harder to play...
But is it a hawaiian or not?? perhaps it isnt a western??
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Yeah,slices are not good for every Westernhitter,but on clay its ok,hall is harder to play...
But is it a hawaiian or not?? perhaps it isnt a western??
It's unique and you're playing on clay and are you comfortable hitting it?

Btw, thanks for the Kitzi pics they were top notch.
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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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what is important to note is that Berasategui would hit his shots with the reverse side of the racket. It really looked out of the ordinary when he would hit the ball. His whole body would shake up. A pity there is no film to show here on how he played.
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Default Re: WTF! Hawiaan Forehand Grip!!!

yeah, it's nothing new
basically, you hold your racket the way you play a backhand (not all flat off course)
and you play a forehand with the same grip

i've seen local players do it too, it's not that special
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Default Re: WTF! Hawiaan Forehand Grip!!!

I think its special
Dont know many on tour for example who hit it like that..
Guga plays it one time,but changed it a bit for faster courts..
@Whit
Yes i play my forehand only like that - but is it a western or hawaiian?
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never seen it before...might have to check out one of Alberto's matches

looks like it'd be really tough to read
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Yes i play my forehand only like that - but is it a western or hawaiian?
All I know is I have a strange grip, but not quite like that, at the same time is it comfortable to hit?
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Alberto

I started a thread about Alberto in the Blast from the Past forum ages ago. His 1994 was great. He won clay court events everywhere from about March-November. Even when he was top 10 he was playing small clay events in Athens and Palermo. I think that grip may have hurt him in the long run though especially as he hit his backhand and forehand with the same side of the racket. He was almost unique on tour in that way.
I never knew you were sweet on the Bilbao man?

He did beat Rafter and Agassi at the AO that was great. Rafter was trying to hit these huge kickers to Berasategui backhand and Alberto was returning them with 2 hands and they were effective.
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Berasategui was a great player and had an entertaining game. Has it been 5 years already since he retired? Wow. Anyways, he was known for clay court expertise and that super western grip. And that forehand was so huge that it seemed painful to hit it that way and that hard with that kind of grip. I think Berasategui and Anke Huber hold the titles for Most Western Grip.
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That's beyond anti-tennis...
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What an ugly grip. It's just disgusting to look at. How the helk can any pace be generated with that? And it looks painful just to hold.
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I play with that grip, and it is very comfortable. My wrist never hurted at all, and if you think you can't generate pace with it you probably have never seen it in action. It is indeed difficult to read, and great for passing shots and hammering the other side of the court.
Defensively, you can hit "baseline lobs", balls with so much topspin that they are sometimes winners especially on a small court.
The downside to this grip is that playing volleys or forehand slices feels very unnatural, when you're used to hitting with the wrong side. Playing a good slicer is very tough (i mean for Mr everybody, not Bera).
And the grip is so far from a slice grip that when i have to do a defensive running forehand slice with little time, i have to hit it without changing grip but with the hand's palm facing backwards, looks weird but it works well and can do some surprising crosscourt defensive dropshots.

Berasategui's forehand was incredibly powerful, and he could hit impossible angles. He was immensly enjoyable to watch for a baseliner, his forehand could overpower anything and the backhand was very solid and looked weird as hell too, it went from two-handed to one-handed at the last instant, and with that wrong side grip. He wasn't a big server, but in 94 i think he won all his first week match points with an ace. Too bad his career at the highest level was so short
My all-time favourite shot is one of his jaw dropping forehand return crosscourt winners, when i say crosscourt i mean almost parrallel to the net from a just bit inside the court, a shot you would think was only possible in ping-pong, i probably slow-motionned that shot like 50 times at the time.

I also play the backhand with the same side, i couldn't believe it when i saw Alberto the first time that a pro would play with my self-teached freak grip.
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Someone said injuries contributed to his retirement. Elbow injuries perhaps? I'm curious because I play w a western grip and have elbow problems. This guy is fun to watch though even though you really can't see the ball on youtube. I wish I could've seen that "parallel" forehand. I've messed around with this grip and it's a lot of fun, but unfortunately w my elbow I don't think it's a very good option.
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