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Old 06-23-2005, 07:14 PM   #1
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I think this was only confirmed today-and some of you may already know it, but Jim was telling me that after the US Open, doubles will have No-Ad scoring! Sets will be first to 5, not 6 - with a tiebreak at 4-4.
This is as result of the ATP Directors feeling they get nothing back from dubs-they pay for food, massages, cars etc for doubles players, who provide no income from ticket sales.
They put forward this proposal, and the player reps - are predominantly singles, so they agreed with it-there are 10 on the council, and only 3 are doubles specialists.
This will SERIOUSLY affect doubles specialists. In about 2/3 years, they hope to have instead of doubles rankings, one ranking race-50% made by dubs, 50% by singles. Singles rankings will of course still exist, but this means doubles players will not survive...
Draws will consist of singles players-although perhaps there will be a few spots reserved for teams such as Bryan/Bryan and Bjorkman/Mirnyi.

I really hope this doesn't work out, and some how everything stays as it is... Jim says he will probably retire at the end of this year-not necessarily as a result of this, but it's a factor. This is okay for him, but think of guys currently on tour ages 23/24 etc... What a joke.
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Old 06-23-2005, 07:18 PM   #2
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Well this news is no surprise to me, it always comes down to the money But it is very bad news

Every time i do go to a tournament, hardly anyone seems to stay for the doubles (so what they are saying is true). I mean the photographers go home as well, and there is hardly anyone left in the stadium.
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You're right JB, they don't. I don't know why... It's a bloody joke. This system better not last.
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Every time i do go to a tournament, hardly anyone seems to stay for the doubles (so what they are saying is true). I mean the photographers go home as well, and there is hardly anyone left in the stadium.
I know, you look on tv for the five seconds you get doubles finals/semis even during grand slams and the crowd was sparser than it was for the Montreal Expos during the 2003 season.

I don't understand why people don't stick around though- I love watching doubles, find it very entertaining and quick. Oh well, to each their own I guess.
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I know, you look on tv for the five seconds you get doubles finals/semis even during grand slams and the crowd was sparser than it was for the Montreal Expos during the 2003 season.

I don't understand why people don't stick around though- I love watching doubles, find it very entertaining and quick. Oh well, to each their own I guess.
I know this wouldnt happen, but do you feel more people would watch doubles if the matches were scheduled first? instead of last

Although, you would then probably get people turning up late after the doubles has finished (what do you think?)
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I know this wouldnt happen, but do you feel more people would watch doubles if the matches were scheduled first? instead of last
Yeah that sounds like a really sensible idea but it probably wont be considered, which is a shame. I think that it might work, some might still try and avoid the matches by turning up later, but overall spectator numbers would increase.

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I know this wouldnt happen, but do you feel more people would watch doubles if the matches were scheduled first? instead of last

Although, you would then probably get people turning up late after the doubles has finished (what do you think?)
I think that is a good idea. Didn't they do that at the French this year for the ladies since the king was there.

I do think that it would be slim, slim pickings at the start of the doubles matches, but by the end, it would likely be pretty full. More full than the one rear end for every 20+ seats that you see nowadays.
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Well, I've never been a fan of doubles. I've said this before, I think of doubles as a place for 2nd rate tennis players. With that said, I kind of feel bad for them. Can't you just see it now, the Bryan brothers standing outside stadiums with signs reading "hungry, playing singles for food" or worse yet, taking their chest bump routine to the streets for donations. And poor Navratilova, she'll be forced into her 3rd and final retirement.
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Never been a fan of doubles. Would only watch if some predominantly singles player (and some great teams, like Federe+safin v/s roddick+nadal) would play

But I can imagine if they start with t his, then its veering towards extinction
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Well this news is no surprise to me, it always comes down to the money But it is very bad news

Every time i do go to a tournament, hardly anyone seems to stay for the doubles (so what they are saying is true). I mean the photographers go home as well, and there is hardly anyone left in the stadium.
First and foremost, doubles is exciting - I play every week and it's a lot of fun.
I think what turns off people who don't play is that they don't understand how different (and quicker points) the game becomes when you talk about singles vs doubles.

Second, world number 3 Nadal (soon to be #2) loves to play doubles and he's such a media darling I'm sure he could help the crowd dilemma. Did anyone else notice that during the Nadal/Lopez doubles match the court was standing room (and sitting on walls/fences) only?

At Cincinnati for the last two years at least the doubles final has been played before the singles and the stadium has been about half full during the doubles. The doubles players always mention how great it to play in front a (their words, not mine) big crowd in the speeches afterwards.

I also think more doubles on TV (hint TTC) would result in more people wanting to go to live doubles matches. Also, at Cincinnati doubles players are never featured on the draw sheets each day.
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I heard that the Bryan Bros were really popular stateside. I haven't been to a tournament in a few years, though, so I would not be able to confirm this. That format thing is scary. That means tennis might be headed towards that format. That would be a sad, sad day...
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Thanks Drew. When this info broke during RG, or whenever it was a few weeks ago, I was hoping that it wasn't true and that the Players would be able to kill it. Tournament directors kind of dug themselves into this hole. They use such a huge portion of their budgets for appearance fees. They should consider dropping those fees 5% and maybe they would still be able to afford the prize money and hotel rooms for doubles players. I agree with the idea of playing doubles finals before singles finals. In the tournaments where I've heard they do that, it usually does mean a bigger crowd for the Doubles players.

Shame to see the slow death of doubles on the tour. Some of the coolest and most friendly players I have met in the last few years are doubles players (especially the Aussies).
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That sucks!!! I love doubles!!! Have seen some brilliant matches!!!


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I like doubles more than singles.

This is really really sad for me. It will be the death of doubles.

Hopefully some of the big names can campaign and change the minds of these idiots.

And to the person that said doubles is for 2nd rate players... puhleeze. The talents required are totally different. Just shows how little you know about tennis.
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mitalidas and seleshfan - you are huge dickheads. WHY don't you like doubles-explain?? Actually don't bother, no-one gives a fuck.
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