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Old 02-26-2013, 10:48 AM   #2296
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I definitely like this as a wedding photo, they look at each other like "oh sh*t, now I'm stuck with you".
Though I still prefer Julien over him. But it's cool that their sister made up a hashtag (or should I say mot-dičse? lol) for her lovely brothers.
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Old 02-26-2013, 10:59 AM   #2297
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Yeah, it's a picture from their wedding.

What hashtag?
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Old 02-26-2013, 03:05 PM   #2298
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#FFF It means something like Follow Friday Frčres. I don't remember in which order and she of course mentions the accounts of Julien and Antoine in the tweet.
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Imagine Julien Benneteau on his wedding.


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He's quite young to get married.
Sad he'll never be as good as his brother. Would have been nice to have both of them on the tour.
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Behind the scenes pic from a photo shoot at Stoke Park in 2011: http://www.clivebrunskill.com/behind.php

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Djokovic's girlfriend seems to be in a lot of his photoshoots. Is that an exception or is it the same with other tennis players?
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Djokovic's girlfriend seems to be in a lot of his photoshoots. Is that an exception or is it the same with other tennis players?
She's been in two.
I don't know when exactly these are from, a good few years ago anyway but they look like they're from photo shoots



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The photo of Nole and Jelena looks like a Ralph Lauren commercial.
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Verdasco's ex Dafne Fernández. I see some similarities...
LOL I didn't know Dafne was Verdasco's ex girlfriend. Just spent a week with her in Punta Cana for a promotion thing where they invited press, of course she's with an actor now or something.

But his current girlfriend is much hotter, probably one of the prettiest asian women Ive seen and she has not child body for sure.
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Love this couple, so much love, honest and real.
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LOL I didn't know Dafne was Verdasco's ex girlfriend. Just spent a week with her in Punta Cana for a promotion thing where they invited press, of course he's with an actor now or something.

But his current girlfriend is much hotter, probably one of the prettiest asian women Ive seen and she has not child body for sure.
Did you tell Dafne that?
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So basically your entire post and "thesis" is based on a few stereotypes you picked up from the media, from which you then made a bunch of generalisations, simultaneously not recognising how your assertion was racist in the first place. Asian women have child-like bodies - really? Have you seen the body of a child? Can you really then say that Verdasco's girlfriend has the body of a child? She's not even that skinny; in fact, I think she has a near-perfect body. You think you have the right conception of what a beautiful woman is but it's clear as daylight to me that you are extremely biased and prejudiced in this regard - as you would understandably be, because you are European and are influenced in a certain way. But don't pretend to know what the rest of the world sees as beautiful because you obviously have no authority on this issue.

I also don't get how it's not crystal clear that it's offensive and racist to equate us Asian women to children. I don't understand how you can't understand this, and therefore I cannot begin to explain why I find it so offensive and racist. I don't care if Gustavo Kuerten doesn't find us attractive; that's entirely his prerogative (obviously), but at least he didn't write an entire thesis attempting to substantiate, based on rubbish generalisations and more stereotypes, what is already a pretty prejudicial point of view.

The fact that you can even claim the existence of a "real" woman's body speaks volume of your innate biases. Like I said, there is nothing wrong with having pre-conceived ideas of what makes a beautiful woman; I am Asian and therefore I think slim = beautiful and I don't understand the general European obsession with big hips. But I'm not about to go around calling Europeans who are bigger sized than me a bunch of whales, for instance, or accuse men who like such women of having a fat fetish. It's therefore extremely difficult for me to see where you get off calling us child-like when it's such a pejorative term especially when it's also associated with paedophilia - which then connotes some sort of wrongness in being attracted to Asian women. Is this not obvious to you?

And this assertion: "Moreover,they are also encouraged by their culture (at least in Japan) to "act" younger if they want to be sexy. So they often correspond more to the "child-like women are sexier" ideal."

Biggest bullshit generalisation I've read in a while. Speaking as an Asian woman, I've NEVER been encouraged to act younger to be sexy. Where the hell do you get these ideas?
I agree here with Trip. Why do people think women naturally have big hips and breasts? or that thin/skinny women are unreal? or that women try everything to look like that? a lot of women are naturally thin/skinny and haven't got big curves and I think it's as much beautiful as someone who is the opposite. There are many types of women, not just one that is the most "real". I find that very offensive. By the way there are tons of women like me who can eat whatever they want and won't get fat. Not everyone who is thin/skinny is an anorexic. Actually the human's body is not meant to be fat. If you keep away from a sedentarist life and eat just what you need, you will have the correct body shape, whatever it's skinny or has curves.
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So basically your entire post and "thesis" is based on a few stereotypes you picked up from the media, from which you then made a bunch of generalisations, simultaneously not recognising how your assertion was racist in the first place. Asian women have child-like bodies - really? Have you seen the body of a child? Can you really then say that Verdasco's girlfriend has the body of a child? She's not even that skinny; in fact, I think she has a near-perfect body. You think you have the right conception of what a beautiful woman is but it's clear as daylight to me that you are extremely biased and prejudiced in this regard - as you would understandably be, because you are European and are influenced in a certain way. But don't pretend to know what the rest of the world sees as beautiful because you obviously have no authority on this issue.

I also don't get how it's not crystal clear that it's offensive and racist to equate us Asian women to children. I don't understand how you can't understand this, and therefore I cannot begin to explain why I find it so offensive and racist. I don't care if Gustavo Kuerten doesn't find us attractive; that's entirely his prerogative (obviously), but at least he didn't write an entire thesis attempting to substantiate, based on rubbish generalisations and more stereotypes, what is already a pretty prejudicial point of view.

The fact that you can even claim the existence of a "real" woman's body speaks volume of your innate biases. Like I said, there is nothing wrong with having pre-conceived ideas of what makes a beautiful woman; I am Asian and therefore I think slim = beautiful and I don't understand the general European obsession with big hips. But I'm not about to go around calling Europeans who are bigger sized than me a bunch of whales, for instance, or accuse men who like such women of having a fat fetish. It's therefore extremely difficult for me to see where you get off calling us child-like when it's such a pejorative term especially when it's also associated with paedophilia - which then connotes some sort of wrongness in being attracted to Asian women. Is this not obvious to you?

And this assertion: "Moreover,they are also encouraged by their culture (at least in Japan) to "act" younger if they want to be sexy. So they often correspond more to the "child-like women are sexier" ideal."

Biggest bullshit generalisation I've read in a while. Speaking as an Asian woman, I've NEVER been encouraged to act younger to be sexy. Where the hell do you get these ideas?
OK, first I'd like to point out that you seem to have forgotten about my conclusion:
"BTW I'm not saying that liking child-like women is wrong, and liking curvy women is right. I'm just explaining why some people might react like Gustavo Kuerten and have the feeling that the reason why many people love Asian women, and why he doesn't like them, is that their appeal is often linked to their being "child-like".
(Also, I don't think that the appeal of Asian women for Westerners is based exclusively on that, but it is definitely a social trend that exists, it is not just a fantasy based on racist prejudice)"

You seem determined to get offended and dismiss everything I say as racist bullshit, and thus, you misinterpret it. You assume a number of things about me that are false (for instance, that I picked all that from "the media", or that I do not like Asian women).
Let me tell you a number of things. First, as a blue-eyed, blond Western girl, I have always thought Asian women were the most beautiful. When I was a child I was almost obsessed with the beauty of Asian women. Now I have grown to accept that there are as many types of beauty as there are people, but my fascination for Asian beauty is still there (that includes men, too, BTW). My brother lives in Japan, and has had several Japanese girlfriends, all of whom were beautiful and unique. One of my best friends is Japanese, too. So, no, I do not pick up these things exclusively from the media. I do know quite a lot of Asian (mostly Japanese) women and have discussed issues of gender with them.
And anyway, what if I did try to make an analysis based on the media? If there's one thing that tells you A LOT about any society, it is the media. The media both mould society and reflect it. That doesn't mean they are representative of everyday life or ordinary people, but the stuff you see in the media does not come out of the blue either.

Some people claim I'm saying the only "real women" are those who have curves. I say, read my posts better. I'm not saying that. I think that's discriminatory against all the women who are naturally skinny. But there is a reason why "curvy" girls are sometimes thought of as more feminine, and the less curvy ones as more "childlike" or "androgynous": because wider hips and bigger breasts are the most noticeable changes when you go through puberty... Simple as that. Now, did I say : "those who dismiss skinny women as unfeminine are right?" Hell no. I only pointed out that there was a basis for that misconception, it does not come out of nowhere.
I did not EQUATE Asian women to children either. Since you're a great reader you should be able to see the difference between saying that Asian women are perceived as childlike in the eye of Westerners, and saying they "are children". What I mean by the culture in Asia encouraging women to act more "childish" to be attractive, is true from a Western point of view. It's true that I did not make that clear in that particular sentence.

Basically, I'm just trying to try and explain what goes on in Westerners' minds. People seem to misunderstand me and claim I'm racist or biased or trying to say some women are not "real women" or whatever. I'm not. I'm just trying to explain why some people perceive things in a certain way.

Of course it's easier to dismiss them by saying they're just racist, biased, and that what they believe is completely irrational with no basis whatsoever.
But you use the terms "racist" and "stereotypes" as if they were self-evident, and I'm telling you, those matters are far more complex. I am interested in trying to understand how they work, that's all. Well, anyway, sorry for trying to bring up those discussions on a tennis forum. My mistake.

EDIT : If anyone is genuinely interested in this discussion, here are a few articles or books that show I'm not making these things up. I do not think these researchers are biased, racist Westerners who know nothing about Asian women. I am prepared to believe that this phenomenon is limited to Japanese culture, though, I do not know how much it has influenced other Asian societies.
http://books.google.fr/books?hl=fr&l...ldlike&f=false
http://books.google.fr/books?hl=fr&l...page&q&f=false

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