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Old 12-01-2013, 10:02 PM   #31
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Ukrainians, be smart and just say no to EU. They don't give a shit about you, the goal is to screw Russia.
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I think I did understand. The Ukrainians are upset about their gov. not making the EU deal and think Putin is behind this development.
So maybe you can explain why the protestors are dumb and also what is really going on, since you seem to have the inside information, even though sweetkit is actually there. But then, you have already declared sweetkit to be dumb, so I guess you would consider you know better.
I suggest you actually get the facts before commenting from now on, the protesters are pro-EU ones.

Quit making such dumb comments about be saying that sweetkit is dumb when I never did.
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Old 12-03-2013, 12:41 PM   #33
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I suggest you actually get the facts before commenting from now on, the protesters are pro-EU ones.

Quit making such dumb comments about be saying that sweetkit is dumb when I never did.
What are you talking about? I have never said anything other than that the protesters are pro-EU. And that is a fact. (Possibly you misread my statement that Putin is behind the rejection of the EU and interpreted it as saying that Putin is behind the protests.)

I think you said the protesters were dumb. Sweetkit claims to be a protester. So, you have suggested sweet kit is dumb. That can not be a misreading.

Actually, if you bother to read post #28 you will see that sweetkit himself concluded that you called him dumb. If this is a dumb comment, then please explain why.
Seems to me you have misunderstood just about every post in this thread.
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Kiev is going to be a mess soon. I am going in the center now. Hope to write back in the evening. Mobile connection there is down.
Waiting for your report. I hope you have not been silenced.
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Lenin statue down

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"Soviet Union? I thought you guys broke up"

"Yes, that's what we WANTED you to think!"
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The Romanians lined up Ceausescu and his wife in front of a firing squad and even the Russians had the sense to blow up the main Lenin statue in Moscow--a symbol of everything the Yukes are "raging" against now. Leave it to the Yukes to display him prominently in Kiev until now .

Revolution Shmevolution. You need backbones and clear resolve for revolution. These people aren't Serbs after all.



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Sweet kit was supposed to report from ground zero, but has never returned. That is troubling.
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Very rarely are political conflicts so black and white. How anyone could think the protests are anything but the legitimate desire of a population for a normal democracy ruled by law is beyond me.

The EU might not be perfect but it is a damn sight better than being sucked into Russia's attempts to recreate its Soviet past.
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Very rarely are political conflicts so black and white. How anyone could think the protests are anything but the legitimate desire of a population for a normal democracy ruled by law is beyond me.

The EU might not be perfect but it is a damn sight better than being sucked into Russia's attempts to recreate its Soviet past.
Yeah true, while most Ukrainians would be dissapointed after a few years of hypothetically being in UE(yes we still don't know if that will happen) it probably pales in the comparison with being in new CCCP. Believe it or not there is a chance, albeit small, that this will happen, maybe not in the name though. The east of Ukraine with the cities like Donetsk or Dnipropetrovsk strongly supports Russia as a whole.
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Sweet kit was supposed to report from ground zero, but has never returned. That is troubling.
Sorry I disappeared. Stuck with work. Been in the epicentre of protests every free evening and weekend day anyway. I've got nothing new to say to what's been said and written in free press.

In the mid of last week had a feeling that protesting movement may fade away, but thankfully I was wrong. Massive, probably the biggest ever gathering took place yesterday.

Over a million people showed up. Indescribable feeling. We were so deeply disappointed with the Orange Revolution eventual outcome that thought people will never unite like back then in 2004.

At this point this could end either with bloodshed or with early elections, constitutional changes and so on. President's actions are impossible to predict, what can be predit safely now -- people are not going to give up. Despite huge snowfalls that arrived today.

Would be interesting whether Catherine Ashton would be able to reason Yanokovich tomorrow. By the way, he hasn't showed up in the city of Kiev for weeks now, hides in his residence outside, covered with hundreds of armed policemen. He's afraid

Today police "cleared" House of Government surrounding streets from protesters. No injuries, but not a good sign anyway.

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Very rarely are political conflicts so black and white. How anyone could think the protests are anything but the legitimate desire of a population for a normal democracy ruled by law is beyond me.

The EU might not be perfect but it is a damn sight better than being sucked into Russia's attempts to recreate its Soviet past.
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Yeah true, while most Ukrainians would be dissapointed after a few years of hypothetically being in UE(yes we still don't know if that will happen) it probably pales in the comparison with being in new CCCP. Believe it or not there is a chance, albeit small, that this will happen, maybe not in the name though. The east of Ukraine with the cities like Donetsk or Dnipropetrovsk strongly supports Russia as a whole.
Only Donetsk and Crimea, actually.

Also, it's not a matter of joining EU now (or in the nearest future for sure), but we have to at least move into that direction...

Yanukovich had secret meeting with Putin two days ago. Some trustworthy US reporter tweeted that sources said Yanuk agreed to sell the country for 15 or something billion $. We shall see...

You've all heard about Lenin's statue demolition? Maybe that was a bit against the law but FINALLY!
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It was the statue toppling that made the front pages around the world.

Glad you are OK.

Just hope the Russian tanks do not rumble into Kiev. But I guess it is more about roubles than rumbles these days.
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sweetkit glad you are ok! Keep us posted, ok? And good luck!
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