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Old 09-30-2013, 09:25 PM   #46
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Buddy, did you say you lived in Cuba? Talk about that in detail. You're safe.
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Buddy, did you say you lived in Cuba? Talk about that in detail. You're safe.
1993-2003. And I have talked about that more than enough in this forum over the years.
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Chile and Uruguay have a relatively similar population distribution - both have similar population densities (19 per sq km for Uruguay, 22 for Chile), a third of both countries live within the prosperous capital metropolitan area, while the rest of both countries are relatively underpopulated. If anything the outer regions of Chile are more prosperous and equal, since they have low populations and plenty of natural resources.

So no, in the case of Chile, their GINI coefficient is directly a result of policy.
I guess we have different definitions of "similar". Chile has 4 times more land, 5 times more population and 40% greater density. Uruguay isn't even remotely in the same league in terms of ethnic diversity, land and climatic variations.

I can't imagine a more far-fetched comparison.

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1993-2003. And I have talked about that more than enough in this forum over the years.
Probably not a single person recalls you talking about it. Here's your chance to provide an interesting anecdote about a westerner living in a communist country.
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Indeed, I frequently refer to the Heritage Foundation to see how countries are progressing. It's a very interesting study for me, obviously not perfectly objective but what ever is? And since I don't want to spend time carefully following all 150 countries in my own subjective manner, it's a very useful place to start in terms of judging economic freedom.

You have to remember when comparing Uruguay to Chile or Argentina, it's like comparing Germany to Denmark. A country of one tenth the population is bound to have smaller class and income differences, greater stability and predictable politics. There may even be regions of Chile with comparable size and GINI coefficients to the whole of Uruguay. It's not always the politics that governs wealth distribution.
Sheer population size can have an impact on political economy but it usually only makes a difference when the larger population results in significant diversity, and I don't think that's the case with Chile; all three Southern Cone countries are almost entirely of European descent and entirely Spanish-speaking. I think what really sets Chile apart from the other two, especially Uruguay, is that its land has given it something of a 'resource curse' economy which no doubt played a large part in creating the necessary conditions for first a Marxist government and then a neoliberal military junta to both radically experiment with the country.
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Cuba's figures probably are accepted as well. There is no other source but the Party propaganda machine. Swallow the numbers if you wish.

But when you have first hand knowledge of Cuban babies that died soon after birth and were incinerated without the parent's permission, then you begin to understand why the Party is so proud of the infant mortality rates that they publish.
No evidence whatsoever. Either prove this or admit defeat.
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Cuba's figures probably are accepted as well. There is no other source but the Party propaganda machine. Swallow the numbers if you wish.

But when you have first hand knowledge of Cuban babies that died soon after birth and were incinerated without the parent's permission, then you begin to understand why the Party is so proud of the infant mortality rates that they publish.
I'm afraid you're going to have to do better than the old red scare tactics. You're talking nonsense but I'll limit myself to a discussion of social indicators accepted by the World Bank and CEPAL which are hardly communist stooges. The fact is you don't know what you're talking about.
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Probably not a single person recalls you talking about it. Here's your chance to provide an interesting anecdote about a westerner living in a communist country.
LOL, I fear that you are maybe the single person here who is not aware of me talking about it. As a matter of fact, I have been told a number of times that I bring Cuba into everything. Which has some truth to it, because I know it well, and not too many "westerners" have had that experience.
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I'm afraid you're going to have to do better than the old red scare tactics. You're talking nonsense but I'll limit myself to a discussion of social indicators accepted by the World Bank and CEPAL which are hardly communist stooges. The fact is you don't know what you're talking about.
Well, that would end that discussion, then.
But I have seen that kind of thing in practice. I doubt that you have.
And I just googled "world bank Cuba statistics" The first item that came up was where the World Bank had praised Cuba for its wonderful infant mortality rates, comparable to the developed countries. Yeah, right.
When you say that the World Bank accepts Figures provided by the Cuban government, that does not mean they verified them.
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I fear that you are maybe the single person here who is notaware of me talking about it. As a matter of fact, I have been told a number of times that I bring Cuba into everything. Which has some truth to it, because I know it well, and not too many "westerners" have had that experience.
I didn't venture out of GM until recently. Maybe that's why.
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No evidence whatsoever. Either prove this or admit defeat.
Prove what?
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Holly you do admit that your claims credibility solely rest on your reputation right? Given the way you have handled yourself since the beginning of this thread; your credibility is almost close to 0. So it begs the question whether you're wasting people's time by providing nonsensical one liners or; you actually believing your claims make a point?

Maybe you should look into "Operation Peter Pan". Not surprising, while disgusting at the same time, a few of these kids turned out to be servants of the lies which separated their parents from their young sons. What a mind job that was/is. You see, that's a provable claim. BTW Wikipedia's explanation as to what the project actually entailed is nothing compared to what was being sold on Cuban streets. The claims went as far as kids being turned into canned meat. So maybe, maybe you're taking a page from the masters of terror?
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Probably not a single person recalls you talking about it. Here's your chance to provide an interesting anecdote about a westerner living in a communist country.
I met Fidel a few times at embassy receptions. I even arranged a reception when our company investors came on a visit for the signing of our contract. It was never guaranteed he would come. We had to rent a government owned house, put on a buffet and wait to see if he showed up. He did show up and stayed a few hours. I had expected that maybe he would be in a room in the house and the most important people would be escorted in to see him. But he circulated freely through among the guests for most of the evening.
My anecdote from that is that I had the bright idea of getting our company name printed on cigar bands. Then I got quality Cuban cigars and put our own bands on them, with gift boxes for all the investors. But when I offered Fidel one of our "special" cigars at the reception, there was an immediate rush of his bodyguards to grab the cigar.
I had forgotten about the earlier CIA plot to give him an exploding cigar.!!! Fortunately it ended with smiles all round. I have lots of pictures and Fidel's autograph on the invitation.
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Holly you do admit that your claims credibility solely rest on your reputation right? Given the way you have handled yourself since the beginning of this thread; your credibility is almost close to 0. So it begs the question whether you're wasting people's time by providing nonsensical one liners or; you actually believing your claims make a point?

Maybe you should look into "Operation Peter Pan". Not surprising, while disgusting at the same time, a few of these kids turned out to be servants of the lies which separated their parents from their young sons. What a mind job that was/is. You see, that's a provable claim. BTW Wikipedia's explanation as to what the project actually entailed is nothing compared to what was being sold on Cuban streets. The claims went as far as kids being turned into canned meat. So maybe, maybe you're taking a page from the masters of terror?
I have no idea what you are talking about. What claims are you skeptical about? What do you not believe?

OK, I checked Peter Pan on Wikipedia. But I have still no idea of the relevance of what you are talking about.
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I have no idea what you are talking about. What claims are you skeptical about? What do you not believe?

OK, I checked Peter Pan on Wikipedia. But I have still no idea of the relevance of what you are talking about.
Good, don't mind my post.
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