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Old 11-05-2012, 01:42 PM   #826
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I want to speed up this court .Also does anyone else think that O2 court has a lot more bounce this year .I thought it was a low bouncing surface Nadal missed out big time here me thinks
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O2's court has the traditional speed of proper indoor courts (of 2010s). A pity Monaco didn't qualify to WTF, we saw in Kuala Lumpur what a beast he's on these proper indoor courts. In 2010s, best clay players are also best indoor players.
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O2's court has the traditional speed of proper indoor courts (of 2010s). A pity Monaco didn't qualify to WTF, we saw in Kuala Lumpur what a beast he's on these proper indoor courts. In 2010s, best clay players are also best indoor players.
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I want to speed up this court .Also does anyone else think that O2 court has a lot more bounce this year .I thought it was a low bouncing surface Nadal missed out big time here me thinks
It's exactly the same as Bercy.
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It's exactly the same as Bercy.
Bercy was slow and high bouncing as well Not how an indoor court should behave like
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All these courts seem even slower than last year... Just ridiculous. If Rafa was here he would make mince meat of this field.
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Old 11-07-2012, 09:02 AM   #832
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Interesting things were said by Kamil Capkovic. He's a Slovak journeyman player, but he plays these challenger tournaments in Europe and Asia, and now speaks about Bratislava, one of the top challengers on tour.

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Many players say that court is quicker that it used to be.

Certainly a lot. Here on centre court was specially slow surface which suited to me pretty well. But today I played good on the quicker one too, so it is okay.

Are there any differences between centre court and the court 3 or training courts?

Well, they painted the centre court first. And when we were practising on it, we said that it is really quick, so they tried to make the other courts slower a little bit. But at the end, all courts are almost the same, still.

Are courts speeded up here because of first seed, Lukas Lacko? He is know that he likes fast conditions and he proved that today against Bachinger.

I don´t think so, really. ATP has now tendency to slow down the courts. Everywhere, even indoors are not what they used to be and this all because of fans, they like longer rallies more, they (ATP) said. Slovak Tennis Association wanted something slower, and when that paint is mixing it is so hard to predict if the court will be fast or not. It is done quite accidentally, to be honest.
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On the BBCs recap of day two at the O2 they had a reasonably long discussion about court speeds changes. Pat Cash went off on one about the short sighted program of universally slowing down of courts.

He said there has to be a compromise and a correct balance because homogenous surfaces will kill the game off as a sport of skill and variety.

Can't say I disagree with him.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ls_2012_Day_2/
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Let's take into account than these days tennis players are more athletic, so they can defend balls that years ago were winners. This seems take no effect on clay. Now clay appears to be faster, there are more aces and points are shorter. But this could be explained on the basis of the better athleticism too: stronger playeres, better rackets, etc.

Watching matches in TV could be misleading too, because big tft screens tend to make the ball movement slower (apparently).

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ATP trying to pretend strings are the reason why there are nearly no attacking players at the top.

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Old 11-11-2012, 05:23 PM   #836
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The excuse makers blame the strings and court speed, but they can't explain why there are players like Janowicz, who have great variety (dependable serve, dropshots, slice) and there are others (Federer, Murray) with success but overrated games (flat serve, physical quickness, fitness).
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talking about speed and courts , today in a sport newspaper pat cash said that a player like delpo who made than powerful shots must win but the balls and surfaces are very slow and djokovic can return many balls.

and because many players are fastiadiate with the speed of the courts and balls , the next year in australia the ball will be more faster again.

good news!!!
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Old 11-12-2012, 01:51 AM   #838
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basically , he say that if the courts would be more fasters , players like nole/murray/nadal wouldn`t capable of winning to many titles in fast courts and they would lose much more against players like delpo , federer , berdych , tsonga and more...

this is an era og physicall tennis and pusher , and the slow courts helps this physicall tennis and kill the real tennis
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People put way too much emphasis on court speed. What is making these matches such a grind feast on every surface has to more to do with current players outstanding conditioning and stamina. When you have supreme confidence on your legs and lungs, you will automatically favor a less risky game, with higher percentages of safe margin in your shots. I mean, the US open courts are not slow, but you still had a Djokovic/Murray grueling physical final. More grueling than several old RG finals between clay courters. These current medium/fast courts would be the same types that Sampras, Edberg would comfortably play their attacking games on their era.

I would say along with having more balanced surfaces is taking the anti-doping control more seriously, that is an area which a lot of people don't put attention to and in my mind could really help to change the dynamics. The anti-doping testing is inept, currently. So along with a petition to speed up the courts, should be first of all to have stricter anti-doping tests, similar to what cycling is looking to do now. Then would be a good way to see results.

What is the ultimate winner in Tennis? The brick wall. Guys with supreme confidence in their physic will look to mimic their games on that rather than fleshy shot making, the brick wall is the ultimate formula for winning it and Peds can help a player get close to mimicking, making it an endurance based game. You could put some of these guys on an Ice cap and they will still look to grind it out. Make them go more to water and vitamins and you will see more risk taking and shot making back
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federer speaking abour courts speed:

LONDON -- With the top defensive players increasingly getting the better of him often in recent years, Roger Federer would like to speed up the game of tennis.

Or at least the courts the matches are played on.

Federer lost to Novak Djokovic in the final of the season-ending ATP finals on Monday, and then praised the top-ranked Serb's ability to retrieve so many shots and keep the ball in play. That's a trait Djokovic shares with Federer's other two biggest rivals -- Rafael Nadal and Andy Murray -- and the Swiss star said attacking play doesn't always reap the benefits it deserves even on hard courts because they're often slower than they used to be.

"It's an easy fix. Just make quicker courts, then it's hard to defend," Federer said. "Attacking style is more important. It's only on this type of slow courts that you can defend the way we are all doing right now."

Monday's final at the O2 Arena had a familiar feel to it. Federer did most of the attacking, trying to dictate play with his forehand and aggressive shot making. But Djokovic, as he often does, kept finding ways to get the ball back over the net and was sharper on the key points.

Federer won the first nine points of the match and was up an early break in both sets, but Djokovic recovered to win 7-6 (6), 7-5.

Federer was the two-time defending champion in London and emphasized that he was happy with this court, calling it one of the faster indoor surfaces on the circuit. He said slower courts are also good for long rallies -- which are a big crowd pleaser -- but that having more variety in the surfaces would force players to learn to be more aggressive.

"What you don't want is that you hit 15 great shots and at the end, it ends up in an error," he said. "So I think sometimes quicker courts do help the cause. I think it would help from time to time to move to something a bit faster. That would help to learn, as well, for many different players, different playing styles, to realize that coming to the net is a good thing, it's not a bad thing."

Federer has won a record-equaling seven Wimbledon titles on grass, the quickest surface, but has only one French Open title on the slower clay, where Nadal has repeatedly thwarted him.

Djokovic and Murray also rely heavily on their great defensive abilities, which have helped set them apart from the rest of the pack.

Having more tournaments played on faster surfaces could make it easier for other players to challenge the sport's "Big Four," Federer said, adding that he wasn't sure tournament directors would necessarily buy into that.

"I think some variety would be nice, some really slow stuff and then some really fast stuff, instead of trying to make everything sort of the same," he said. "You sort of protect the top guys really by doing that because you have the best possible chance to have them in the semis at this point, I think. But should that be the goal? I'm not sure."

Djokovic said his strategy against Federer is usually to try and extend the rallies and hope for an opportunity.

"He's somebody that is very aggressive, that likes to finish points very quickly," Djokovic said. "But I managed to get a lot of shots back into the court, being passive, a couple meters behind the baseline. ... That was one of the goals tonight, to always try to get him into the longer rallies where I think I had the better chance."

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and the confirmation of nole using soome nadal`s tactic for beat federer , being passive and wait for fed`s mistake , the difference is that many times when federer serves well and plays better nole`s shots are not equals than nadal , he hasn`t that terrible lefty spin forehand of nadal that tortures fed`s backhand.

obviusly this kind of tactics are more easy to do in slow courts.
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