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Old 04-04-2012, 12:25 PM   #646
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99% of players are also incapable of closing the net. They have shit volleys, and crap their pants at the thought of having to hit a volley vs. an opponent's passing shot. I don't think the slow courts are the issue so much as lack of variety of play from the players. If you have even decent volleys, good approach shots, and some semblance of net closing angles, it is still possible to play an aggressive game, even on these courts. Angles, baby, angles.

Saying the courts are too slow and the balls too slow to play an aggressive game is too easy, even though it may be true. Fight through it.
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99% of players are also incapable of closing the net. They have shit volleys, and crap their pants at the thought of having to hit a volley vs. an opponent's passing shot. I don't think the slow courts are the issue so much as lack of variety of play from the players. If you have even decent volleys, good approach shots, and some semblance of net closing angles, it is still possible to play an aggressive game, even on these courts. Angles, baby, angles.

Saying the courts are too slow and the balls too slow to play an aggressive game is too easy, even though it may be true. Fight through it.
Now it all makes sense why you can't even win Futures matches.
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:42 PM   #648
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99% of players are also incapable of closing the net. They have shit volleys, and crap their pants at the thought of having to hit a volley vs. an opponent's passing shot. I don't think the slow courts are the issue so much as lack of variety of play from the players. If you have even decent volleys, good approach shots, and some semblance of net closing angles, it is still possible to play an aggressive game, even on these courts. Angles, baby, angles.

Saying the courts are too slow and the balls too slow to play an aggressive game is too easy, even though it may be true. Fight through it.
Players have shitty volleys because they aren't thaught otherwise. They aren't thaught otherwise because ass-slow surfaces do not suit offenssive-minded competitors and instead it's more efficient to teach them a solid baseline game with decent serve, at once caring for their physical progress.

If the surfaces were considerably faster most of players would be simply forced to learn a volley-shot in order to avoid rank fall.
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I am guilty of being too aggressive at times, yes.

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Players have shitty volleys because they aren't thaught otherwise. They aren't thaught otherwise because ass-slow surfaces do not suit offenssive-minded competitors and instead it's more efficient to teach them a solid baseline game with decent serve, at once caring for their physical progress.

If the surfaces were considerably faster most of players would be simply forced to learn a volley-shot in order to avoid rank fall.
Eh, its a ying-yang kind of thing. If the courts are slow, coaches don't teach the volley, when the surfaces are faster, they have no choice but to learn a net game.
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Not even that.

All of the top players, on any surface, have shit odds every match. It's impossible to make a profit on them. Only decent money I've made on tennis this year was Nadull over Fed at 13/8 AO semi finals and Nadull at 4-6 3-4 down also at 13/8 in-play against Nalbandian.
Very true. The prices are ridiculous.
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Default Madrid faster than some hard court events?

Just watching Verdasco - Nadal and Rafa has to play numerous baseline demi voleys after Nando's returns, which is

Despite the ball bouncing much higher than hard courts, it goes with quite a speed through the air and surface and makes it look at least faster than AO for example.

What do u think?
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Just watching Verdasco - Nadal and Rafa has to play numerous baseline demi voleys after Nando's returns, which is

Despite the ball bouncing much higher than hard courts, it goes with quite a speed through the air and surface and makes it look at least faster than AO for example.

Serve hold %s

Australian Open 76.3%
Madrid 2009/2010/2011 78.3%
Madrid 2012 81.4%


The highest hard court figure is Cincy at 82.1%. Blue-Madrid is higher than all the others, and indeed higher than half of indoor courts.
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Ion Tiriac for President then
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They sped up the wrong surface.
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All surface should be as fast as Madrid. All pushers would vanish from top 100. Good for the game
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Default Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

Speed up grass, indoor courts and some hard courts (but not all of them we need a healthy balance of both fast and slow hard courts).

Slow down clay.

Of course none of this will happen but we can all dream.
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Default Re: "Speed up the courts and general court speed Thread"

Almagro hit 53 winners today in 3 sets on clay.

Nadal and Djokovic combined hit 48 winners in the Wimbledon final, 4 sets on grass.

Makes sense.
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So, how's Roland Garros this year? Same balls as last year?
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Early to confirm but looks like it's not at last years speed.
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Apparently the balls fluff up quicker this year. Not as fast as last year but the weather is hot for now so it's quite fast.
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