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Old 11-06-2013, 03:45 PM   #1771
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So Gentleman we are playing on Blue Indoor Clay now. Just when you thought you cannot go any lower.
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Old 11-06-2013, 03:53 PM   #1772
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Jimmy Arias (who seems to hate Nadal's game ) and former Fed coach Annacone went on endlessly about how the slow/low bounce courts here kills the effectiveness of Nadal topspin FH. This should be obvious to any non-troll watching Nadal struggling to push Ferrer and Wawrinka around even as bashes FH after FH.
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Old 11-06-2013, 03:57 PM   #1773
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Federer said after his match to Djokovic yesterday that the court at the WTF was slow. It's going to be very hard for anyone bar Nadal or Djokovic to win the WTF as these two will just get everything back with a large margin for error, and wait for the inevitable UE from their opponent. We can look forward to a complete grindfest in the final.
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Old 11-06-2013, 04:09 PM   #1774
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Tennis wins from long rallies, no?
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Old 11-06-2013, 04:12 PM   #1775
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Points won:
Nadal: 80
Wawrinka: 83

Result of the match: Nadal in straights.

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Old 11-06-2013, 04:16 PM   #1776
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Federer said after his match to Djokovic yesterday that the court at the WTF was slow.
He said the same thing last year, and in 2010, and in 2008 when it was last in Shanghai (same company doing the surface all these years).
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Old 11-06-2013, 04:19 PM   #1777
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I'm no expert but from watching, I think people are just seeing what they want to see...
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Old 11-06-2013, 05:47 PM   #1779
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It's all relative. This obviously isn't as low a bounce as you can get on a tennis court, but it's quite deadening conditions for both speed and bounce by HC standards and not at all favorable to Nadal's offensive game. You couldn't tell much against Ferrer since Ferrer's form didn't allow rallies to go on very long, but it was clear against Wawrinka that Nadal's topspin FH only made the Swiss's BH uncomfortable on the few points where Nadal absolutely demolished the ball on a pure sitter while in a great position or when he once hit an actual moonball from an offensive position. I had to laugh when he hit that right after a few typical heavy topspin FH's to Wawrinka's BH had no effect whatsoever.
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Wawrinka experienced the same problems he has against Nadal on clay courts, hadto play well behind the base line in order to get waist-high balls that he could push with his BH, each time he tried to take Nadal's FHs from the baseline he could only produce sloppy BHs that Nadal would eat for breakfast or hit an UE. Conditions are definitely suiting Nadal this year.
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Federer said after his match to Djokovic yesterday that the court at the WTF was slow. It's going to be very hard for anyone bar Nadal or Djokovic to win the WTF as these two will just get everything back with a large margin for error, and wait for the inevitable UE from their opponent. We can look forward to a complete grindfest in the final.
Maybe it's then goof we don't have a Bo5 final. Wouldn't stay awake for a seven-hour eggathon.
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Old 11-06-2013, 06:11 PM   #1782
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Wawrinka experienced the same problems he has against Nadal on clay courts, hadto play well behind the base line in order to get waist-high balls that he could push with his BH, each time he tried to take Nadal's FHs from the baseline he could only produce sloppy BHs that Nadal would eat for breakfast or hit an UE. Conditions are definitely suiting Nadal this year.
Wawrinka likes a little time to set up his baseline groundstrokes. It's not so pronounced that it's a career killer like it is for Gasquet, but he's also no Federer when it comes to pushing forward with his groundstrokes. His preference for heavy groundstrokes from the baseline is partly why I prefer him over someone like Fed actually.

I'd say Wawrinka lost today thanks to not being aggressive off the serve and thus allowing Nadal to grind and eventually draw an UE when serving. I didn't see Nadal causing many errors with wicked spin or following up weak Wawrinka efforts with put-aways. It was an ugly win for Nadal, and I say that as a fan. Of course Wawrinka's choking/lack of confidence/whatever during big moments was also critical.

Regarding conditions suiting Nadal, defensively speaking, they do. But he doesn't beat players like Djokovic with pure defense. He also doesn't beat players like Wawrinka and Fed easily without that heavy topspin as an offensive weapon. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go out before the final; even an inspired Fed might top him if they met.
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ATP TOUR is officially dead. Slowing down even the Indoor tournaments like London or Paris is the final step to destroy our beloved sports.
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ATP TOUR is officially dead. Slowing down even the Indoor tournaments like London or Paris is the final step to destroy our beloved sports.
Something is dead yes but it isn't the tour.
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To be honest all they need to do is increase the speed at a few tournaments... RG is fine as it is, USO should be slightly faster, WIM should DEFFO be faster then it is, I mean its fast but not fast enough for a grass court(it is meant to be the fastest court/surface) and the AO speed is okay...

The indoor tournaments should be much faster though, Paris and The World Tour Finals look so slow for indoor tournaments... A few hard court tournaments like Miami should also be faster but apart from that I think the speed of the courts are okay!
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