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Old 04-16-2005, 06:43 PM   #1
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Default McEnroe broke the ATP record in 1984...then he never won another slam...

And I'm also thinking of Mats Wilander who produced three Slams in 1988 and never won another. This is piggyback to "Is Fed getting worse thread", as I was thinking about the question in relation to the greats?

What happened to these two (for those who followed)? Who were they coached by? Did they dismiss their coaches? Did their strokes get worse the next year? Did the competition get better? Or did they simply lose motivation?

Of course, I don't think Fed is having any of these problems at all. Just a question that popped into my mind...

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Old 04-16-2005, 06:54 PM   #2
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Default Re: McEnroe broke the ATP record in 1984...then he never won another slam...

Johnny Mac had to cope with the arrival of the new, highly fit power generation, led by Lendl but also including people like Curren who served him off the court at Wimbledon when he was defending champion in 1985. This was when the new rackets were really beginning to take effect. There were also, ahem, personal complications off the court that didn't help him much. Wilander I suppose had achieved so much by the age of 24 and lost a little motivation, although I don't know as much about him.

Good job you added that corollary to your post to make sure that hordes of posters won't attack you for starting another panicky thread prophesying doom and gloom for Federer.
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Johnny Mac had to cope with the arrival of the new, highly fit power generation, led by Lendl but also including people like Curren who served him off the court at Wimbledon when he was defending champion in 1985. This was when the new rackets were really beginning to take effect. There were also, ahem, personal complications off the court that didn't help him much. Wilander I suppose had achieved so much by the age of 24 and lost a little motivation, although I don't know as much about him.

Good job you added that corollary to your post to make sure that hordes of posters won't attack you for starting another panicky thread prophesying doom and gloom for Federer.
Another factor is that McEnroe was not a particularly hard worker. Rather like Hingis, he was so talented that winning came quite easily to him at first. As the game became more physical and demanding, he seemed to lose focus rather than work harder.
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Default Re: McEnroe broke the ATP record in 1984...then he never won another slam...

come to think of it, Laver never won another major after his 1969 Grand Slam.
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Default Re: McEnroe broke the ATP record in 1984...then he never won another slam...

McEnroe became distracted from tennis and took a sabbatical during 1986 - missing Wimbledon. During this time he didn't train or pick up a racquet. When he came back he had lost his edge and couldn't regain it.
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come to think of it, Laver never won another major after his 1969 Grand Slam.
Amazing that he was able to win the GS at the ancient age of 31.
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Default Re: McEnroe broke the ATP record in 1984...then he never won another slam...

rackets changed, tennis changed
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Default Re: McEnroe broke the ATP record in 1984...then he never won another slam...

McEnroe was just flat-out lazy; hated working out, didn't stretch or eat right; also got distracted by a host of personal problems. He was one of those who coasted on his talent but wasn't ambitious enough to get it back when he lost it. Will forever more whine and complain about today's racket technology and constantly cry "bring back the wood!" because he thinks that's the reason why he lost his domination.
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Default Re: McEnroe broke the ATP record in 1984...then he never won another slam...

I'm just looking at Mac's rec in 1985...Really it wasn't a bad year, but maybe for him not great. He won his five out of six of the first tournaments. He lost to Ivan Lendl at Forrest Hills and DC, and then to Mats at the FO. He then beat Ivan twice that summer submitting humbly to him at the US (he had to beat Mats in 5 in the semis). Can you imagine that 1-2 combination That summer must have been verrrrrry frustrating.

And Wimbledon Who the hell was Kevin Curren? He beat Edberg, Connors and Mac in straights before falling to Becker in the finals (and making Becker a star). I do recall Chris Evert mentioning how he should have won the tournament, but choked the finals.

Maybe it was Wimby that ultimately did Mac in??? He lost first round of the Masters to Ugh Brad Gilbert. I think this is where he said "I can't believe I lost to someone like you!"
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He also reportedly took steroids to get back to the top in 1987...
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Default Re: McEnroe broke the ATP record in 1984...then he never won another slam...

Kevin Curren was one of the first big serves of the modern rackets age, he also made the Australian Open final (when it was on grass), a career comparable to Todd Martin, he defeated most of the top players of the second half of the 80´s at least once.
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Is that why JMac is so wound up about bringing back wood rackets? Because he's still hurting from that loss
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Mac and Wilander did the same thing, both took a bit of time off after their great seasons and were never quite what they once were.

Once you lose the edge, its very hard to get it back.
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Default Re: McEnroe broke the ATP record in 1984...then he never won another slam...

Wilandr said something similar when he lost to Pete being defending champion of the Australian Open, Chris said about Steffi, lets see if she can hit that big forehand with a wood racket.
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Mac and Wilander did the same thing, both took a bit of time off after their great seasons and were never quite what they once were.

Once you lose the edge, its very hard to get it back.
Reminds me of these episode of Nature on PBS. A baby wolf injured itself and couldn't run. The mama wolf waited a couple of days for baby to get better. Baby didn't. So, as the narrator said, "The pack had to move on."

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