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Old 04-15-2005, 03:25 AM   #1
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This maybe useless to some people and in many ways it is. Here are the champions from 1975 onwards of Monte Carlo, Rome and Hamburg events and to see which one of them produces the most Roland Garros winners. The winners will be bolded in the respective events. Players who made finals in that year have been bolded in green.


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Monte Carlo

	Past Champions				Finalists
2013	Novak Djokovic (SRB)			Rafael Nadal
2012	Rafael Nadal (ESP)			Novak Djokovic
2011	Rafael Nadal (ESP)			David Ferrer
2010 	Rafael Nadal (ESP)			Fernando Verdasco
2009 	Rafael Nadal (ESP)			Novak Djokovic
2008 	Rafael Nadal (ESP)			Roger Federer
2007 	Rafael Nadal (ESP)			Roger Federer
2006 	Rafael Nadal (ESP)			Roger Federer
2005 	Rafael Nadal (ESP)			Guillermo Coria
2004 	Guillermo Coria (ARG)			Rainer Schuettler
2003 	Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP)		Guillermo Coria
2002 	Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP)		Carlos Moya
2001 	Gustavo Kuerten (BRA)			Hicham Arazi
2000 	Cedric Pioline (FRA)			Dominik Hrbaty
1999 	Gustavo Kuerten (BRA)			Marcelo Rios
1998 	Carlos Moya (ESP)			Cedric Pioline
1997 	Marcelo Rios (CHI)			Alex Corretja
1996 	Thomas Muster (AUT)			Albert Costa
1995 	Thomas Muster (AUT)			Boris Becker
1994 	Andrei Medvedev (UKR)			Sergi Bruguera
1993 	Sergi Bruguera (ESP)			Cedric Pioline
1992 	Thomas Muster (AUT)			Aaron Krickstein
1991 	Sergi Bruguera (ESP)			Boris Becker
1990 	Andrei Chesnokov (RUS)			Thomas Muster
1989 	Alberto Mancini (ARG)			Boris Becker
1988 	Ivan Lendl (USA)			Martin Jaite
1987 	Mats Wilander (SWE)			Jimmy Arias
1986 	Joakim Nystrom (SWE)			Yannick Noah
1985 	Ivan Lendl (USA)			Mats Wilander
1984 	Henrik Sundstrom (SWE)		Mats Wilander
1983 	Mats Wilander (SWE)			Mel Purcell
1982 	Guillermo Vilas (ARG)			Ivan Lendl
1981 	Guillermo Vilas (ARG) and Jimmy Connors (USA) n/p

1980 	Bjorn Borg (SWE)			Guillermo Vilas (ARG)
1979 	Bjorn Borg (SWE)			Vitas Gerulaitis
1978 	Raul Ramirez (MEX)			Tomas Smid
1977 	Bjorn Borg (SWE)			Claudio Barrazutti
1976 	Guillermo Vilas (ARG)			Wojtek Fibak
1975 	Manuel Orantes (ESP) 			Bob Hewitt

	
Rome  

Past Champions
2013 	Rafael Nadal (ESP)			Roger Federer
2012	Rafael Nadal (ESP)			Novak Djokovic
2011 	Novak Djokovic (SRB)			Rafael Nadal
2010 	Rafael Nadal (ESP)			David Ferrer
2009 	Rafael Nadal (ESP)			Novak Djokovic
2008 	Novak Djokovic (SRB)			Stanislas Wawrinka
2007 	Rafael Nadal (ESP)			Fernando Gonzalez
2006 	Rafael Nadal (ESP)			Roger Federer
2005 	Rafael Nadal (ESP)			Guillermo Coria
2004 	Carlos Moya (ESP)			David Nalbandian
2003 	Felix Mantilla (ESP)			Roger Federer
2002 	Andre Agassi (USA)			Tommy Haas
2001 	Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP)		Gustavo Kuerten
2000 	Magnus Norman (SWE)			Gustavo Kuerten
1999 	Gustavo Kuerten (BRA)			Pat Rafter
1998 	Marcelo Rios (CHI)			Albert Costa
1997 	Alex Corretja (ESP)			Marcelo Rios
1996 	Thomas Muster (AUT)			Richard Krajicek
1995 	Thomas Muster (AUT)			Sergi Bruguera
1994 	Pete Sampras (USA)			Boris Becker
1993 	Jim Courier (USA)			Goran Ivanisevic
1992 	Jim Courier (USA)			Carlos Costa
1991 	Emilio Sanchez (ESP)			Alberto Mancini
1990 	Thomas Muster (AUT)			Andrei Chesnokov
1989 	Alberto Mancini (ARG)			Andre Agassi
1988 	Ivan Lendl (USA)			Guillmero Perez Roldan
1987 	Mats Wilander (SWE)			Martin Jaite
1986 	Ivan Lendl (USA)			Emilio Sanchez
1985 	Yannick Noah (FRA)			Miloslav Mecir
1984 	Andres Gomez (ECU)			Aaron Krickstein
1983 	Jimmy Arias (USA)			Jose Higueras
1982 	Andres Gomez (ECU)			Eliot Teltscher
1981 	Jose-Luis Clerc (ARG)			Victor Pecci
1980 	Guillermo Vilas (ARG)			Yannick Noah
1979 	Vitas Gerulaitis (USA)			Guillermo Vilas
1978 	Bjorn Borg (SWE)			Adriano Panatta
1977 	Vitas Gerulaitis (USA)			Antonio Zuggarelli
1976 	Adriano Panatta (ITA)			Guillermo Vilas
1975 	Raul Ramirez (MEX) 			Manuel Orantes

	
Hamburg/ Madrid from 2009
2013	Rafael Nadal  (ESP)			Stanislas Wawrinka
2012 	Roger Federer (SUI)			Tomáš Berdych	
2011	Novak Djokovic (SRB)			Rafael Nadal
2010 	Rafael Nadal (ESP)			Roger Federer
2009 	Roger Federer (SUI)			Rafael Nadal
2008 	Rafael Nadal (ESP)			Roger Federer
2007 	Roger Federer (SUI)			Rafael Nadal
2006 	Tommy Robredo (ESP)			Radek Stepanek
2005 	Roger Federer (SUI)			Richard Gasquet
2004 	Roger Federer (SUI)			Guillermo Coria
2003	Guillermo Coria (ARG)			Agustin Calleri
2002 	Roger Federer (SUI)			Marat Safin
2001 	Albert Portas (ESP)			Juan Carlos Ferrero
2000 	Gustavo Kuerten (BRA)			Marat Safin
1999 	Marcelo Rios (CHI)			Mariano Zabaleta
1998 	Albert Costa (ESP)			Alex Corretja
1997 	Andrei Medvedev (UKR)			Felix Mantilla
1996	Roberto Carretero (ESP)			Alex Corretja
1995	Andrei Medvedev (UKR)			Goran Ivanisevic
1994 	Andrei Medvedev (UKR)			Yevgeny Kafelinkov
1993 	Michael Stich (GER)			Andrei Chesnokov
1992 	Stefan Edberg (SWE)			Michael Stich
1991 	Karel Novacek (CZE)			Magnus Gustafsson
1990 	Juan Aguilera (ESP)			Boris Becker
1989 	Ivan Lendl (USA)			Horst Skoff
1988 	Kent Carlsson (SWE)			Henri Leconte
1987 	Ivan Lendl (USA)			Miloslav Mecir
1986 	Henri Leconte (FRA)			Miloslav Mecir
1985	Miloslav Mecir (CZE)			Henrik Sundstrom
1984 	Juan Aguilera (ESP)			Henrik Sundstrom
1983 	Yannick Noah (FRA)			Jose Higueras
1982 	Jose Higueras (ESP)			Peter McNamara 
1981 	Peter McNamara (AUS)			Jimmy Connors
1980 	Harold Solomon (USA)			Guillermo Vilas
1979 	Jose Higueras (ESP)			Harold Solomon
1978 	Guillermo Vilas (ARG)			Wojtek Fibak
1977 	Paolo Bertolucci (ITA)			Manuel Orantes
1976 	Eddie Dibbs (USA)			Jan Kodes
1975 	Manuel Orantes (ESP)			Jan Kodes













Here is what the results are of that above list taken only from titleholders of that year.

- Monte Carlo has 11 winners and 5 finalists
- Rome has 7 winners and 3 finalists
- Hamburg has 3 winners and 1 finalist

Other facts.
- Nadal has won the big 4 in one season
- 2 losing finalists in Monte Carlo have won Roland Garros in the same year ( Bruguera and Wilander)
- Guga lost the Rome final twice, and won RG in the same year.
- Nadal is the only losing Hamburg finalist to win Roland Garros.
- Nadal runner up in Madrid and Rome but won Roland Garros.
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On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1

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Old 04-15-2005, 03:30 AM   #2
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....Monte Carlo has all the frontrunners still kicking....Federer/Nadal/Gaudio v Coria most likely

Personally, if either Nadal or Gaudio win Monte Carlo, then they will have taken out Nadal/Gaudio, Federer, and Coria (assuming no upsets in the draw), so they'd have to have good odds for Roland Garros
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At the very least we'll probably see an 05 RG finalist come out of the MC final
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Carlos Moya won the French and Rome, so that's six

Lendl won Monte carlo and the french so that's eight, and Wilander so that is nine; you counted Borg twice, but that's because you probably were trying to highlight Vilas.

The numbers basically say the same stuff, Monte Carlo is a good indicator of RG success.
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Carlos Moya won the French and Rome, so that's six

Lendl won Monte carlo and the french so that's eight, and Wilander so that is nine; you counted Borg twice, but that's because you probably were trying to highlight Vilas.
but Lendl didnt win Monte Carlo and the French in the same year...he only got to the QF of RG in 88
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Or, as I see, you probably mean when they win in the same year.
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Carlos Moya won the French and Rome, so that's six

Lendl won Monte carlo and the french so that's eight, and Wilander so that is nine; you counted Borg twice, but that's because you probably were trying to highlight Vilas.

The numbers basically say the same stuff, Monte Carlo is a good indicator of RG success.
I highlighted the ones that won it in that respective year.

Example Rios won Rome in 1998, but Moya won Roland Garros.
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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Is it fair to say that MC's clay courts are the most similar to RG's?
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Is it fair to say that MC's clay courts are the most similar to RG's?
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Great thread GWH. I think we need to start a thread on who has all the clay masters and Rg. I think it's extremely odd that Borg doesn't have a hamburg title.
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Great thread GWH. I think we need to start a thread on who has all the clay masters and Rg. I think it's extremely odd that Borg doesn't have a hamburg title.
I could name them off the top of my head. A thread like could derail quite easily.

Borg didn't like playing in Hamburg much and that was the same as Muster. I remember in 95 when Muster went on that tear he didn't bother playing Hamburg.
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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Wasn't Muster's not playing Hamburg also a scheduling issue, i.e he didn't want to overplay in order to peak at RG. I read a long freaking article about "periodisering"( how to optimize training and match play in order to reach peak form at a particular moment), on a Swedish tennis coaches site, and Muster's 95 build up to RG was almost spot on compared to the article's formula.
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Wasn't Muster's not playing Hamburg also a scheduling issue, i.e he didn't want to overplay in order to peak at RG. I read a long freaking article about "periodisering"( how to optimize training and match play in order to reach peak form at a particular moment), on a Swedish tennis coaches site, and Muster's 95 build up to RG was almost spot on compared to the article's formula.
If you could send me that link or put it in the Polar bear thread I'd love to read it.

Yes, Muster peaked so well for that event. It wouldn't surprise me, but Muster never did well in Hamburg when he went there.
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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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