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Old 09-12-2013, 11:36 PM   #46
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Fatbutt is boring, that's for sure. With his ugly high percentage moonballs and endless retrieving
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Old 09-12-2013, 11:36 PM   #47
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The technology wasn't a lot different in 2003, yet the surfaces were a lot quicker. Where were the servebots then????
Strings have advanced a great deal in the last 10 years. And I'm not convinced the courts are that much slower than 2003.

Anyone got real measurements that show how much the courts have slowed?

I'm more than willing to admit I'm wrong here is someone has real data and not just a Serena Williams interview. Because I remember the movie Willow being really awesome when I saw it as a kid. I watched it a couple years ago and realized it actually sucked. Memories are funny like that.
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Nadal plays to win he does not like to think a lot . His shots are with high % margin for error so why he needs to think. He does not care whether it is boring or not. What i noticed in his match against Federer in Cincy he played only to Federer' BH 100% every point till get got error . Federer is the one who does the thinking because if he plays as Rafa does their matches would be boring as Djokovic/Nadal. Why do not watch Murray/Federer F at Wimbledon or SF at AO. Both matches were very high quality tennis wise. Djokovic/Federer matches at US Open were always classic. Does not matter who won them but both guys played great tennis. Last year Djokovic/Federer match in London O2 was such a beauty.There were so many great shots in this match. I can not really say that for US Open
This US Open was a real disappointment. It is pity that everywhere they play the same way . ATP/ITF try very hard someone to make records, but let's see different matches.
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Somebody give Pat a cookie and tell him that he's special.
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Oh please. When he chooses to, he can overpower any player. He probably has the most powerful forehand in tennis history. And it's not only power, it's also precision. It doesn't mean that he's only a ballbasher, he can stay in long exchanges and hit safer shots, until he find the right opportunity to attack. It's what is called being a smart tennis player. Same thing applies to his "backhand.


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For all the belly aching, if you look at the serve and return numbers today, they match very closely to the numbers from 20 years ago. The best returners in the game are winning 30% of return games on grass, 35% on hard courts and 40% on clay. Same as 20 years ago. Points have probably gotten a bit longer, but again things change. Deal with it and move on people.
I think there is less variety because the ATP schedule highly discourages specialists from focusing solely on their favorites surfaces. If you want to maintain a ranking or score the big bucks, you need to be great on all surfaces. Gone are the days of Sampras getting six years at number one withing doing anything on clay. Gone are the days of Muster focusing almost entirely on clay, even skipping Wimbledon most years and going his entire career without winning a single match at Wimbledon.

There's also a certain Spanish Bull from Mallorca who serves as a strong deterrent against clay specialization.

So the result is that we have fewer underdogs pulling upsets on their favorite surfaces, and more consistency. It's harder than ever for a dark horse to break through and get that one unlikely Slam. There's no more room for Goran Ivanisevic and Muster and Chang and Noah and Gimeno. It means that winning all four Slams isn't quite as impressive as it would have been for Sampras. But it also means that breaking through at all is more special, because it is so rare these days. Del Potro is a perfect example--he only has the one Slam, but there have only been five total winners in his entire ATP career. So he really only needs the 2009 US Open to really stick out among his peers, whereas previous generations would have needed maybe two Slams.

Everyone will remember Del Potro for the way he won the USO. In fact, he may go down as the first man ever to foil a couple of 15+ Slam Winners. The more Nadal wins, the better DelPo looks.

Even Nalbandian and Davydenko's achievements are impressive, albeit often overlooked.
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^^Yep, the ATP should better unify all courts, make them slow hardcourts.
To satisfy the connoisseurs of variety they can still give the courts different colors:
orange to simulate clay and green to imitate grass.
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I think there is less variety because the ATP schedule highly discourages specialists from focusing solely on their favorites surfaces. If you want to maintain a ranking or score the big bucks, you need to be great on all surfaces. Gone are the days of Sampras getting six years at number one withing doing anything on clay. Gone are the days of Muster focusing almost entirely on clay, even skipping Wimbledon most years and going his entire career without winning a single match at Wimbledon.

There's also a certain Spanish Bull from Mallorca who serves as a strong deterrent against clay specialization.

So the result is that we have fewer underdogs pulling upsets on their favorite surfaces, and more consistency. It's harder than ever for a dark horse to break through and get that one unlikely Slam. There's no more room for Goran Ivanisevic and Muster and Chang and Noah and Gimeno. It means that winning all four Slams isn't quite as impressive as it would have been for Sampras. But it also means that breaking through at all is more special, because it is so rare these days. Del Potro is a perfect example--he only has the one Slam, but there have only been five total winners in his entire ATP career. So he really only needs the 2009 US Open to really stick out among his peers, whereas previous generations would have needed maybe two Slams.

Everyone will remember Del Potro for the way he won the USO. In fact, he may go down as the first man ever to foil a couple of 15+ Slam Winners. The more Nadal wins, the better DelPo looks.

Even Nalbandian and Davydenko's achievements are impressive, albeit often overlooked.
Yup, Federer and Nadal will probably go down as the two best players ever (imo, they are already) and delPo beat them back to back to win a Slam in his first full year on the ATP tour. Even if that ends up being his only Slam, what a way it was to clinch it - one that ensures he will never be forgotten.
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It is not easy running to the net to volley as it was when edberg played. Players in this era hit very good passing shots and more often than not the S&V player will look like a fool. Courts slowing down and better equipment have helped but also todays players are just more skilled. They are bigger, stronger and more athletic.

Just coming into the net after every serve is also boring to watch again and again. Many times volleys are just quick reflexes and could go into the net just as it could go over the net. People just are in love with their own era. To them what they had was always better. Pat cash and others would have no chance in todays era where freaks like Nadal and Novak roam the world. And these guys have been adding variety into their games - rafa and nole played a lot of points at the net.

Yester year tennis players now usually do tv or write. And they have to be making some sensational headlines to get some attention. They also need the hits.
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Yup, Federer and Nadal will probably go down as the two best players ever (imo, they are already) and delPo beat them back to back to win a Slam in his first full year on the ATP tour. Even if that ends up being his only Slam, what a way it was to clinch it - one that ensures he will never be forgotten.
And then someone will remind people that Nadal had an abdominal injury and was very limited in his service games and Federer choked - gave up a match in which he had complete control. Point being no matter what statement you make you will get a counter.
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And then someone will remind people that Nadal had an abdominal injury and was very limited in his service games and Federer choked - gave up a match in which he had complete control. Point being no matter what statement you make you will get a counter.
So in other words, haters gonna hate? Hardly surprising stuff.
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So in other words, haters gonna hate? Hardly surprising stuff.
yeah something like that. Thats the bread and butter of forums like this.

Anyway delpo is a cool guy. Too bad his inury did him in. He is not the same. But he can still still pull out a biggie. Hewitt match was extremely disappointing from the big man. A crippled washed out guy (sorry hewitt fans) beat a powerhouse.
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Well i wouldnt say they are always boring but after some time it starts to become boring.The atp is making a lot of money by this but we fans want some variety.we dont want to watch same tactiv used again and againIn that 6 hour match i was almost sleepy during the 4th set.their matches lose their charm after an hour or two.
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Well i wouldnt say they are always boring but after some time it starts to become boring.The atp is making a lot of money by this but we fans want some variety.we dont want to watch same tactiv used again and againIn that 6 hour match i was almost sleepy during the 4th set.their matches lose their charm after an hour or two.
sex loses its charm in 30 minutes or so also. So whats your point?
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Oh please. When he chooses to, he can overpower any player. He probably has the most powerful forehand in tennis history. And it's not only power, it's also precision. It doesn't mean that he's only a ballbasher, he can stay in long exchanges and hit safer shots, until he find the right opportunity to attack. It's what is called being a smart tennis player. Same thing applies to his "backhand.
Fatbutt is the epitomy of ugly muscle tennis and technology assisted topspin, just ugly.

His game is powerful but just boring, moonball the backhand X 100
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