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Old 09-12-2013, 05:47 PM   #16
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Default Re: Pat Cash : Are Rafael Nadal Nadal and Novak Djokovic boring?

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So many are throwing a hissy fit in the comments section. So many people don't get that he isn't calling Nadal and Djokovic boring, or that USO final boring, but the same repetitive tactics used.
Absolutely right! The reading comprehension of some people are just

I wish, however, that Pat Cash wrote a more thoughtful piece and addressed the issue of (1) "watching the same tactic in every single match of every single grand slam for the last five or six years" and (2) whether this generation are better athletes than previous in separate posts. I think the former merits a serious discussion; the latter just invites speculation.
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Old 09-12-2013, 05:53 PM   #17
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Edberg and Sampras were different kind of athletes than Nadal and Djokovic. They required the ability to lunge explosively at the net, a quick first step into the court, etc. Rafa and Novak's athleticism is more based on endurance, strength, and flexibility.
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Old 09-12-2013, 06:22 PM   #18
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Default Re: Pat Cash : Are Rafael Nadal Nadal and Novak Djokovic boring?

I agree. Despite being a fan of Rafa, I think the tour has become monotonous and predictable. I miss seeing a lot of upsets, I miss seeing a variety of styles, I miss seeing a variety of surface conditions, and I even miss seeing a variety of personalities.
I am also bewildered by the lack of young talent coming up.

Bringing back variety to the surfaces used on tour would fix the problem - a variety of surfaces would mean that more players with unique styles could find their niches and academies like IMG wouldn't be able to get away with factory producing baseline grinders.
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They are not better all-round players than the likes of Boris Becker or Pete Sampras. Boris and Pete were baseline players
Um, no they weren't. How many titles, not just Roland Garros, did Becker win on baseline oriented clay? It's not an accident that RO is the only slam Sampras never won. Neither player was all that good from the baseline. They were brilliant servers and volleyers who were also masters of sensing the opportunity to break serve but they did not excel over their contemporaries, to put it mildly, in most other facets of the game.

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Default Re: Pat Cash : Are Rafael Nadal Nadal and Novak Djokovic boring?

A variety of tactics is interesting but I think the variety in past eras is slightly exaggerated.

There is still variety at the top but it's a more subtle distinction than baseline vs serve volley or something like that.
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Default Re: Pat Cash : Are Rafael Nadal Nadal and Novak Djokovic boring?

Seems like Cash feels a bit dissed by the new guys. Didn't Rafa humiliate him when he was 14?
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Default Re: Pat Cash : Are Rafael Nadal Nadal and Novak Djokovic boring?

After 37 matches and being both baseliners maybe some people is bored to watch them, like many people are tired of Nadal/Federer matches.

Besides I don't think that Cash likes very much clay tennis (he was a mug claycourter)
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Default Re: Pat Cash : Are Rafael Nadal Nadal and Novak Djokovic boring?

Both are boring. Djokovic turns from flashy and interesting player to "dirty pusher" and only from time to time shows his real game. And Moonballer always was one the most boring players on ATP
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Only nostalgia-tards still think that players used to be more "all-round". Players from Golden era would adjust MUCH better to faster surfaces than anybody from the past would to today's conditions, because beside tennis IQ they have self-discipline, determination and consistency at MUCH higher level. And yes, they are more intense and physical. Only player who might struggle on fast surfaces is Nadal, but even he proved that he is capable to adjust. Players from Golden Era would have never been beaten by young Becker or Agassi at W for example...

Somebody like Boris Becker would certainly be better than David Ferrer in Golden Era (regardless of how fast or slow surfaces are), he might even beat some of the top players at GS sometimes, but he still wouldn't sniff even a single slam. Only players who would have a legitimate chances to take a few slams are Sampras and Borg, but neither would be dominant and #1.
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For me, Nadal vs Djokovic is currently the most exciting match in tennis. I love it. The battle is intense and the tennis, for me, can be stunning.

For me, it's Murray vs Djokovic matches that lack that extra something special, but it's a personal opinion. When you love a tennis player, his matches are inherently more exciting because a loss will be painful and a victory, rapturous.
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Only nostalgia-tards still think that players used to be more "all-round".
You're missing the point. It's not about players of the past being more rounded - in general, they most certainly weren't. However, a greater diversity of surfaces means that a larger variety of player types could carve out successful careers. Great players will always be great but we wouldn't see a couple of players make the finals and semis of every tournament on every surface every year.
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For me, it's Murray vs Djokovic matches that lack that extra something special, but it's a personal opinion. When you love a tennis player, his matches are inherently more exciting because a loss will be painful and a victory, rapturous.
I agree, I find Murray interesting against most top players, including Nadal and Federer, but when Nolandy takes place it seems to lack the drama of comparable encounters.
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Default Re: Pat Cash : Are Rafael Nadal Nadal and Novak Djokovic boring?

this thread is kind of funny because although, sure, there were a lot of grinding long baseline points, the two actually went to net a lotttt in the mens Final. just saying.
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this thread is kind of funny because although, sure, there were a lot of grinding long baseline points, the two actually went to net a lotttt in the mens Final. just saying.
Djokovic is definitely going to the net more than he used to. It shows that top players cannot stick rigidly to one gameplan if they want to win big titles which should be encouraging for tennis fans in general.
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Default Re: Pat Cash : Are Rafael Nadal Nadal and Novak Djokovic boring?

I really agree with what he says. People need to read. he's not calling them boring. Its just so awful to see that tennis is now spitting out the same type of player and the variety is disappearing.
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