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Old 09-12-2013, 05:47 PM   #1
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his style of play boring?

There’s an argument that this generation of men’s tennis is boring and I think it’s a valid one.

It’s not boring to see two great players like Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovic compete in a final.


What is getting mundane is watching the same tactic in every single match of every single grand slam for the last five or six years.


Nowadays they all settle down and say “OK, this is going to be two hours of baseline rallies.” The guy who outlasts the other one wins. It’s taken a lot of the skill out of tennis.


They are not better all-round players than the likes of Boris Becker or Pete Sampras. Boris and Pete were baseline players, they were attacking players and they could do it against baseliners like Mats Wilander or Andre Agassi.


Now that was entertainment. You never knew which way it was going to go.


Nadal and Djokovic are exceptional athletes, there’s no doubt about it, but to say they are better athletes than past greats like Bjorn Borg and Stefan Edberg is just nonsense.


This is some crap drummed up by somebody and I think it’s an insult to past players. Modern players don’t dive around the net, they don’t deliver backhand smashes, they don’t have to twist and turn like past generations.


Could modern players do that? We don’t know. What we do know is that they are incredibly good at retrieving shots from the back of the court.


Are they better, quicker, more agile around the net? The answer to that would be no.


What today’s players do around the baseline is undeniably phenomenal. They have become specialists in that, but to say they are better athletes is disrespectful. I don’t buy it at all, not for one second.


The ITF and the ATP are doing a great job of marketing the game, but they need to look at what is actually happening on the court.


Is this entertainment? Is this good enough?




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Old 09-12-2013, 05:55 PM   #2
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Interesting. I bet this will cause a lot of controversy. I think at the end of the day we all have styles we like and players we like, and tennis we personally find exciting.
Personally I don't think you can say Rafole matches like AO 2012 and US Open 2011 are boring, but that is just my opinion
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Serena: "Hard courts have gotten so slow since when I started playing"


Q. Nadal is undefeated on hard courts this year and you're undefeated on clay. Patrick said this year balance was really important with your clay game. I wondered about transitioning from clay to hard courts, what the challenges have been?



SERENA WILLIAMS: Well, actually, it's a lot easier, the transition, because the hard courts have gotten so slow since when I started playing.

They were a lot faster. And now it's just so many more balls come back, and it's just almost basically playing on a fast clay court. I think the transition is a lot easier than it used to be.

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Well said, Pat Cash.
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I think the repetition in the baseline game is getting tedious. The Nadal/Djokovic match on Monday, both guys were grinding, hardly going for their shots at all when they usually do. Variety is good, contrast of styles is good, but we rarely see that any longer unless an all-court player is playing like Federer, Llodra, Tsonga, Kohlschreiber, etc. Having said that, the match on Monday was not boring (as Cash said), but over time it can get a little boring.
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I think the repetition in the baseline game is getting tedious. The Nadal/Djokovic match on Monday, both guys were grinding, hardly going for their shots at all when they usually do. Variety is good, contrast of styles is good, but we rarely see that any longer unless an all-court player is playing like Federer, Llodra, Tsonga, Kohlschreiber, etc. Having said that, the match on Monday was not boring (as Cash said), but over time it can get a little boring.
I would love to see a Tsonga- Federer slam final
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Q. Both McEnroe and Agassi said in the World Team Tennis match this July that tennis right now at the top, men’s tennis is the toughest ever. Do you think you four guys are the toughest maybe in history in terms of competing against each other and winning events?


ROGER FEDERER: I’d say no, but I don’t know. Just because you look back maybe 15 years, then you have Sampras, Edberg, Becker, and Agassi, I don’t know who else. Those guys weren’t good or what? Do you know what I mean?

You look back, further back, 20 years, and you have the Connors and the Lendls. Those weren’t good either? I mean, I don’t know. So for me I think that’s respectful.

It’s just different times and definitely more athletic, there’s no doubt about that. But then again we don’t play doubles. We don’t play mixed. Maybe we play less matches today because it’s more taxing, but we do play less best‑of‑five set tennis than they used to play. You can’t compare really.

but we have somewhat of a golden era right now. I feel that truly. It’s nice to see Andy making his move at the Olympics, nice to see Novak having an absolutely ridiculous year last year, and then Rafa and myself still being around. It’s definitely good times. Past that you still have great champions as well. It’s very interesting at the top right now, and the depth I think has never been greater than right now. There’s no doubt about that. But then best ever? The four of us? That’s a really difficult call.



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So many are throwing a hissy fit in the comments section. So many people don't get that he isn't calling Nadal and Djokovic boring, or that USO final boring, but the same repetitive tactics used.
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Nadal believes previous tennis eras cannot match the excitement generated by the current stars of the sport.


"Sampras versus Ivanisevic match, or one between those kind of players, is not enjoyable, It's not really tennis, it is a few swings of the racquet.

It was less eye-catching than what we do now. Everyone enjoys the tennis we play much more. I am not saying we are playing better tennis, just more enjoyable tennis. For me, in the past it was just serve, serve, serve."



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Why don't you just use your sportstennis account ?
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Tennis is not entertainment. Players play to win. All the time. Past players played SV because it was a viable option at the time. Look at Llodra and Mahut they still play SV because they have a better chance of winning that way not because some manifesto or something.
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Neither player is boring. Some people can't appreciate the nuances in great tennis play. The only players who are *slightly* boring are Ferrer and Murray.
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Thought i'm a huge Federer fan and i generally like aggressive all court tennis, I never find Rafole matches boring. These two are incredible athletes and they prefer playing from the baseline, but as players they have quite different styles which makes the matchup quite interesting for me.

I find Noleray matches a bit boring though.
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Any matchup that features somewhat similar styles can become tedious if dominates the sport to the exclusion of any others. That said, it's not the fault of Djokovic and Nadal that Federer is declining and nobody else is stepping up to consistently threaten them besides Murray (and how is that he writes this after a Djokovic-Nadal final and not an infinitely more tedious Djokovic-Murray final btw?).

And he's wrong to suggest that these matches are simply a matter of 'outlasting' the opponent with little skill involved. Djokovic and Nadal up their games at various points during their matches and whoever plays skilled attacking, though admittedly largely baseline, tennis on more points generally gets the win. The backhand smash dig is also odd as I have a crystal clear image in my head of Nadal's form when making that shot.

He seems to think that people don't respect players from past eras, which is a misreading of people who love today's game. It's quite possible to enjoy multiple eras for whatever high level tennis was dominant at the time. There's also a rather defensive argument that Federer is better to watch than Nadal and that that somehow lessens Nadal's achievements; reminds me a certain blogger that was just linked to on here. It's a completely subjective argument; I myself would find two Federers repeatedly playing for titles tedious, but I'd still respect their talent on its own merits and I certainly wouldn't write a whiny op-ed about it.
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Neither player is boring. Some people can't appreciate the nuances in great tennis play. The only players who are *slightly* boring are Ferrer and Murray.
He didn't say that Rafa and Nole are boring, he said that the repetition in tactics is boring.
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