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Old 08-25-2013, 07:30 PM   #46
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So, that's a vote against counting it, correct?

That's 2-1 for not counting Wimbledon 1973.

Anyone else?
You sholud count Wimbledon 1973 in my opinion
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Already I have agreed to this.

There will be 3 sets of rankings posted around 1973.

One, the official rankings track with corrections done for errors. Since the original rankings didn't include 1972, they were done like a 1973-race. That is why a separate track is needed for this.

Two, the correct rankings track - official, with a real 52-week roll added, so that rankings are connected with the pre-computer rankings period.

Three, the side rankings track - unofficial, 52-week roll with Wimbledon counted.
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Sorry I've come to this discussion a bit late but for what it's worth I believe Wimbledon 1973 should be counted. (Especially as I remember it!)

Not to count it is a bit like not counting medals won at the olympics in 1980 and 1984 because of the boycotts.

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Lately, ATP has started refreshing their tournament database, and more tournaments are available for 1968-1971. To be fair, I decided to redo it all from the start, including tournaments that were previously unavailable, and all with the 1973 system, so that everything is properly balanced.

One major change is the fact that once Boston 1968 is available, Ashe gets the chance to become World No #1 after USO 1968, which didn't happen before.
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Lately, ATP has started refreshing their tournament database, and more tournaments are available for 1968-1971. To be fair, I decided to redo it all from the start, including tournaments that were previously unavailable, and all with the 1973 system, so that everything is properly balanced.

One major change is the fact that once Boston 1968 is available, Ashe gets the chance to become World No #1 after USO 1968, which didn't happen before.
When I see your message check a couple of profiles and note that they're including also Slam from the pre-open era Why the ATP is making this?

EDIT: They even have a page for Slams of 1913 http://www.atpworldtour.com/Scores/A...spx?t=1&y=1913
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One major change is the fact that once Boston 1968 is available, Ashe gets the chance to become World No #1 after USO 1968, which didn't happen before.
Which won't happen like that because I found out that Boston 1968 was an amateur event. But Ashe still gets #1 after Laver plays Buenos Aires and gets the YE #1 position.

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When I see your message check a couple of profiles and note that they're including also Slam from the pre-open era Why the ATP is making this?

EDIT: They even have a page for Slams of 1913 http://www.atpworldtour.com/Scores/A...spx?t=1&y=1913
It's good to have archives from the pre-open era in my book, as long as they distinguish between Amateur, Pro and Open events. Make separate lists or something.
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Here is a sneak preview of the ATP errors made in the Year-End rankings of 1973, with the top 50 positions mentioned in World of Tennis 74:



FACTS AND ATP ERRORS:
1. You will notice Newcombe's target failing by 6p he gets from Palmetto (so this is not an error).

2. Stan Smith is missing .5p, but this may be a missing tournament we have not found yet. Fact is that Smith was .5p in the reproduced list of the Aug 23 rankings as well.

3. Pilic's official tournament count is 28, I am getting 27.

4. Riessen had 61p in the Aug 23 rankings, 4p more than what I was getting. This is an ATP error, as he didn't seem to miss anything.

5. Fillol, Gottfried and Cox all have something in common. They are 3p short from their official total. I am gonna go with the Riessen here as well, and call this an ATP error, as there is no tournament class that can be modified in common for all 3 not affecting anyone else.

6. Bertolucci is 1 tournament too far from the official count. This is another ATP error, and there is also a typo in the World of Tennis '74 book.

7. Drysdale's and Fairlie's tournament count totals are wrong. Drysdale played 2 more tournaments than the official total. 2 more ATP errors to add.

8. Stockton's lack of 4p is perfectly valid with a missing Palmetto final, tournament missing from the ATP's database.

9. Dibbs is just .5p too short than the official count. This is an ATP error caused by miscounting a CAT-D tournament's R32 as a R16, spawning 1p instead of .5p.

10. Meiler's and Van Dillen's tournament total is incorrect. But Meiler's extra tournament is a CAT-F final, which ATP failed to count, hence his 43.5 instead of 39.5, placing him higher in the rankings.

11. Parun is just .5 point short to the official. This is another ATP error caused by miscounting a CAT-D tournament's R32 as a R16, spawning 1p instead of .5p.

12. Pasarell's missing 4p, probably caused by miscounting one of his multiple tournaments spawning 4p as a 0p. (late disqualification?)

13. Proisy's missing tournament and point are caused by the ATP failing count his Barcelona's event in spring.

14. Fassbender's .5 point too short. Caused by ATP miscounting Nice as 0p, instead of .5p.

15. Graebner 2p too short and 1 tournament too short. Once again, Palmetto solves this, since Graebner got SF here, gaining 2p, solving both these errors.


So, taking out the light green errors (which are ours, not ATP's) we have a few ATP errors remaining, but we also have 100% loyalty. :gleam:

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The recomputed period 1968-1971 is now available along with 1972-1973.

1973 is now completed on all 3 paths (the 52-week roll with official ranking counts and errors corrected; the race which was originally used by not counting any 1972 but with errors corrected and all year end tournaments eventually counted, counted from the start; and the Wimbledon-counted path with 52-week roll, so you can have a peak on how much Kodes would been up in the rankings at the end of 1973).

With this data, we now have the following World Number 1 successions:

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1. Ken Rosewall - 29.04.1968 - 10 weeks
2. Rod Laver - 08.07.1968 - 9 weeks
   Ken Rosewall (2) - 09.09.1968 - 2 weeks (12 weeks total)
   Rod Laver (2) - 23.09.1968 - 8 weeks (17 weeks total)
3. Arthur Ashe - 18.11.1968 - 12 weeks
   Rod Laver (3) - 10.02.1969 - 130 weeks (147 weeks total)
4. John Newcombe - 09.08.1971 - 27 weeks
   Ken Rosewall (3) - 14.02.1972 - 8 weeks (20 weeks total)
5. Jan Kodes - 10.04.1972 - 2 weeks
6. Stan Smith - 24.04.1972 - 1 week
   Jan Kodes (2) - 01.05.1972 - 2 weeks (4 weeks total)
   Ken Rosewall (4) - 15.05.1972 - 1 week (21 weeks total)
   Jan Kodes (3) - 22.05.1972 - 2 weeks (6 weeks total)
   Ken Rosewall (5) - 05.06.1972 - 5 weeks (26 weeks total)
   Stan Smith (2) - 10.07.1972 - 4 weeks (5 weeks total)
   Jan Kodes (4) - 07.08.1972 - 2 weeks (8 weeks total)
   Stan Smith (3) - 21.08.1972 - 3 weeks (8 weeks total)
7. Ilie Nastase - 11.09.1972 - 7 weeks
   Jan Kodes (5) - 30.10.1972 - 1 week (9 weeks total)
   Stan Smith (4) - 06.11.1972 - 30 weeks (38 weeks total)
   Ilie Nastase (2) - 04.06.1973 - 31 weeks (38 weeks total)
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Slasher, you are doing insane work here.

I can't wait to see what the rankings look like 74-78, I am not sure Connors will still have as many weeks as he has. 268 is too much. Also interested in Vilas weeks in 1977 at #1.
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I can't wait to see what the rankings look like 74-78, I am not sure Connors will still have as many weeks as he has. 268 is too much. Also interested in Vilas weeks in 1977 at #1.
Yeah, I can't wait either. It's taking a bit longer as I want it all to be perfect and there is a lot of data to investigate. I'm pretty close to having a complete system for 1974. I'm only missing bonus points.

I am also correcting 1968-1973 as I find stuff out about certain ATP rules or which tournaments were Open.

I'll let you know when the 1968-1972 data is FINAL.
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Are Vilas and the reporter still in contact with you?

And do you think you'll slam this in the ATPs face? If so, I want it to be on video if I can't personally fly out to see the ownage myself

Also, what happened to New Zealand tennis nowadays?
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Everyone is anxious of the results. I wanna take this easy, but do it accurate. 1973 has proven to me that ATP draws displayed on the website contain errors. If I find Vilas to have been No. 1, all is vain if there is a mistake on the ATP website and the draw is inaccurate. It's not gonna be an "ownage", the truth here must be clean and swift and not discovered in order to prove anything, only in order to correct something.

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Well, there are many former good tennis countries that can't find the tennis they used to play nowadays, along with New Zeeland. One of them is India, another is the US.
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