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Old 08-05-2013, 02:09 AM   #16
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If it is true as Backhand DLT says that, "He would point out that he tried subduing his attitude on court and went on to lose 11 straight matches" --- that would be unfortunate.
I tried at the advice of everyone being calmer on the court and went from being the most clutch player anyone around me knew to an absolutely massive choker. Never recovered most of it- once confidence is gone, it's gone- but I got some back once I started being a bit more expressive again.
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It will truly be the dark age of tennis if him or his brother ever make the top 10.
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I agree with this. His forehand isn't perfect, but the backhand is the disaster.
you very right

He never improve his backhand in 4 years....
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Being calm on the court is overrated - it entirely depends on the player. Getting angry and choking are so two different things. Safin and Haas have outbursts all the time and most of the time it helps them play better. Federer identified that the racket smashing wasn't working and he changed it. Suppression doesn't work for everyone and in most cases it doesn't. Djokovic has outbursts and then plays far better afterwards. It's all about channelling your anger positively. An "angry" player can't just calm themselves and win - it doesn't work that way.
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If it is true as Backhand DLT says that, "He would point out that he tried subduing his attitude on court and went on to lose 11 straight matches" --- that would be unfortunate. There are many reasons for losing matches (such as better opponents, having a niggling injury, being upset/distracted about a personal matter, coaching change, excess pressure, trying to incorporate a new technique, etc.) so how can he counter-intuitively single out being in mental control as the reason for losing?
It could be that he's simply using it as an out, but I can see how fighting one's natural temperament can prove distracting to them on court. Just because he gets fired up on court doesn't mean he's out of control necessarily. At least during that period he routinely beat players he should, which hasn't been true for him in some time now.


Also, I don't think it's fair to blame Roddick. The man was an actual champion. And it's entirely up to Harrison what he ultimately derives from their relationship.
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Murray gets pretty testy sometimes and that doesn't make him easier to beat . It's whatever works for an individual. As a spectator I'd much rather see one who can control his emotions though (and that's possibly why I decided to stop having outbursts when playing myself ).
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Why do people post this over and over like it's even remotely accurate?
He literally can't hit three topspin backhands in a row in the court and his forehand is what's holding him back? Ok, that makes perfect sense.
I would like to know why 2 years ago posters were saying his backhand is not professional quality, and it still hasn't improved. All a pro does is train during the day, how does he even regress? Was it because the ascension into the top 50 got him overconfident about his abilities?
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Ryan's attitude is not what is holding him back, it's that his game has limits
he can serve fairly well, has decent groundstrokes, but he is never going to have the touch and movement and tennis brains to be a 'great' player
if a bad/angry attitude defined your career as negative than Marat Safin would never have had the success that he did
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Harrison's issue is that he is American and therefore disproportionately hyped. His mental fragility wouldn't be that bad if he had enough talent to make up for it which he doesn't.
He has enough talent to be top 20. Which actually is the problem, if you watch him play, he doesn't know what to do, is he a defensive player or offensive player. He tries to do both and not on the right time. He should focus on one or another. Watching his Isner match i think it was Houston, he was returning and playing well, then he earns break points and just hits the ball in the middle of the court then misses out of the bloom.


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Being calm on the court is overrated - it entirely depends on the player. Getting angry and choking are so two different things. Safin and Haas have outbursts all the time and most of the time it helps them play better. Federer identified that the racket smashing wasn't working and he changed it. Suppression doesn't work for everyone and in most cases it doesn't. Djokovic has outbursts and then plays far better afterwards. It's all about channelling your anger positively. An "angry" player can't just calm themselves and win - it doesn't work that way.
It is not overrated, it works for some but generally it isn't good. Specially in this topic of Ryan Harrison, when he gets angry, he just loses his focus.
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I would like to know why 2 years ago posters were saying his backhand is not professional quality, and it still hasn't improved. All a pro does is train during the day, how does he even regress? Was it because the ascension into the top 50 got him overconfident about his abilities?
Perhaps that and being touted from age 16 as the next America superstar. If there were no expectations on Ryan, he'd probably play in a less tightly coiled, ready-to-implode mode --- with much better results.

Another problem is his revolving door of coaches while his real coach (Dad) is always overseeing things, which is probably why the coaches quit or are fired. What coach wants to take on a player with an uber-coach in the background really calling the shots?

His bad techniques and lousy emotional control came from years of being coached by Dad, so it's impossible for a new coach to take charge and make any headway. A little like the Donald Young problem, but not nearly as extreme.

Ryan can make a clean break, unlike Donald who seems a victim of the Stockholm Syndrome, but he better "do a Murray" soon --- quit all family coaching, go out of his comfort zone of known 'trusted advisers' like Roddick, and get a stoic no-nonsense coach like Lendl.

Sure, some players get fired up with a little show of emotion, but not an immense disgorging of negative feelings like Harrison does. Fist-pumps and screaming "allez" or "let's go" are positive emotions, but smashing racquets and screaming expletives only emboldens the opponent to go in for the kill and derails any chance of a positive energy flow (getting 'in the zone').

Roger and Rafa talk about that state, where they block out everything except concentrating on the next point, a kind of altered state. A mistake on the prior point is instantly forgotten as it's history and useless to remember as it can't be replayed. They trained themselves to 'let it go' as it's non-productive to think about it. In that unstressed state, everything flows effortlessly, the muscles relax, the strokes are free, and energy is not wasted.

By contrast, Ryan spends too much time dwelling on his recent mistakes, getting tight, and thus not hitting freely. At 21, he's got a little time to turn things around, but the window is closing quickly.

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It's his terrible, deformed game that's the main problem.
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From what I've seen, he usually loses the match after he implodes and having meltdowns doesn't seem to help him win. Would love to see him guided by a Lendl-like coach, who sure did wonders with Andy Murray's mental control.
Pre-Lendl Murray was still winning masters or at least making it to the slams semis; the mental part is important, but only if everything else is clicking. Just look at Tomic - his face usually looks like a frozen mask whether he wins or loses, but he can still go out in R1/R2 easily.
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He has enough talent to be top 20.
Like fuck he does.

All he has is a serve, footspeed, and occasionally good volleys.

No return, no BH, an inconsistent FH that isn't able to dictate points against elite opponents, idiotic shot selection, no point construction, no intangibles, no ability to take the ball early.

And his first serve isn't even good enough to be a standalone carrier, like an Isner or a Karlovic.
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He waste his talent.....

That's the main problem
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