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Old 08-05-2013, 02:27 PM   #31
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Just cannot imagine a GOAT spending most of his career in the shadow of another decent player

He didn't and doesn't...he is beating his rivals most of the time and has a positive H2H with practically all top players.
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Old 08-05-2013, 02:53 PM   #32
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First, all the players after a long rally usually exceed the time so then all are cheaters. Grinders/baseliners usually take more time for obvious reasons, this is true, but any player takes only 20 seconds in each and every one of his serves. If the rule was rigid would had a chronometer on court like in basketball which would sound automatically. But the spirit of the rule is that the player not delayed the serve for unjustified reasons, not prevent it totally although delay is justified.
Yes. Break the rules to your advantage, cheating. Look, it's not like he's doing this stuff once in a while, he's doing it in many times in every match. And you're free to pick your game style, but that means you bear the burden of its consequence. You don't go into every match expecting the rules to be bended your way to suit your game style.

Do you think it's fair if a S&V player steps one foot into the court when he serves or touch the net before the point ends every once in a while because it suits his style? You know, because he's being aggressive and all, and he's not doing it everytime. Hell no. Just like a grinder break the time limit between points to take an extra breather so he can maintain his exhausting game style. It's cheating.

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Second, tennis rules say that a player can not hit the ball out of specified bounds. If they do and the umpire watch it they must lose the point. A player who hit the ball out of the bounds is a cheater too? Is against the basic tennis rules so according your reasoning they are. A soccer player who kicks to another player is a cheater too? Is his fault if the Umpire does not interpret correctly a rule sometimes?
I repeat, break the rules to your advantage, cheating. Break the rules, receive consequence. And about the umpire, don't pretend to be naive please, you and I know that a player of Nadal's stature is more important to the ATP and ITF than an umpire. The umpire is not gonna do anything harsh to Nadal because he's thinking about his career. So, it's not a matter of interpretation from the umpire, it's a matter of intimidation from the player, the ATP/ITF, and the fans of said player.


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Third, time start to count when a player is in the line ready to serve. Nadal is very quick staying ready in the line, other players use the trick to delay to be in position to serve when they need it.
I don't care. Trick or no trick. Break the rules to your advantage, cheating. Whether it's Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Federer or even freaking Laver, if he decides to come out of retirement, no breaking rules. And I'm not even going into the on-court coaching shit. Yet.

You know, if this time limit rule really is a problem for most players and not suited for the modern game, as some said, why don't there's outcry and movement from players to change the rules? Maybe because it's not a problem for most players. It's only a problem for certain players. Anyway, the rules are there. As a pro player, Nadal should play within it.
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He didn't and doesn't...he is beating his rivals most of the time and has a positive H2H with practically all top players.
Then why does he has the most weeks at No2 ??? He should have most weeks at No1 no ?
Something is not right !!!!!
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You know, if this time limit rule really is a problem for most players and not suited for the modern game, as some said, why don't there's outcry and movement from players to change the rules? Maybe because it's not a problem for most players. It's only a problem for certain players. Anyway, the rules are there. As a pro player, Nadal should play within it.

Oh come one
We all know that there are lots of players who have problems with the time rules but we also all know why it's Nadal you are singling out.
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Old 08-05-2013, 03:11 PM   #35
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Nadal is beating his rivals so often because when he's not in top form he's a lot more vulnerable to lesser-ranked players.

Hence, he usually plays the top guns on his best days as well as on days when the top guys are not always close to their best.
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He didn't and doesn't...he is beating his rivals most of the time and has a positive H2H with practically all top players.
Beating top guys on his beloved surface and run away early on others does not give him any credit being GOAT.
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Then why does he has the most weeks at No2 ??? He should have most weeks at No1 no ?
Something is not right !!!!!

Time for you to get used to the reality and accept the H2Hs
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Time for you to get used to the reality and accept the H2Hs
The reality is that at the time we judge who is the real champion we take H2H rather than the ATP ranking into consideration? right?
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The reality is that at the time we judge who is the real champion we take H2H rather than the ATP ranking into consideration? right?

If you have the most Slams, it doesn't matter if you won them as #2 or #1...no one will give a f*ck about that...
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If you have the most Slams, it doesn't matter if you won them as #2 or #1...no one will give a f*ck about that...
Nadal will not win more slams than Fed, hope this helps.
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^Is this a fact or an opinion?
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Oh come one
We all know that there are lots of players who have problems with the time rules but we also all know why it's Nadal you are singling out.
Yes, there are. I'm singling Nadal out because he's the one we're talking about in this thread. Because he's the most popular among all of them. And because I'm done tolerating him since his coach, Toni, casually admits to the media that they cheat with on court coaching. It makes me so sad that he doesn't have enough respect for the game to at least be a tiny bit embarrassed by it. No respect for tennis, who have given a lot to Nadal, whatsoever.

And stop with the smileys. I'm being serious. If you can't take this seriously, then I'm not gonna respond to you again about this. Love the game more than the players, man. Come on. We're talking about one of the most popular player ever, one of the most successful player ever, and one of the best, really. To a lot of people, he represents the game. And he's a cheater. You know there's a lot of upcomers that idolize Nadal, right? They could easily follow his cheating habits too, you know.

Man, I don't get how any tennis fan don't find this at least a bit troublesome.
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Beating top guys on his beloved surface and run away early on others does not give him any credit being GOAT.
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Time for you to get used to the reality and accept the H2Hs
But You still didn't answer the question !!!

How is it possible to have a No 2 where he has winning record over the Current No 1 (Djokovic) and the previous No 1 (Federer) and still spend the most time behind them ???

Answer the question properly !!!
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