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Old 11-22-2006, 01:59 PM   #856
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I explain it. I saw many of his matches and I see, that he has problems with tension of his arm during the serve or something more. This problem increased in this year.
Why do You think, that his problems with muscles of arm or shoulder or cervical vertebral column or right brachial plexus have any psychological ground? He shall go to neurologist and any good orthopaedist not necessarily for ATP specialist, but to normal doctor - assistent for instance from any academic clinic in Buenos Aires . I don't know, why only psychologists say something about him. Have they any medical preparation? If psychologists in Argentina have so good medical preparation, that means, that they know complications after misdiagnosed diseases of mentioned aboved problems and they know something about penal liability. Something is not good with his health. You remember FO final in 2004. He had then attack of renal colic because of nephrolithiasis, that's why, he played through. He is quite resistant and he stood to the end of the match. I canm say, that many of patients, who have renal colic attack have problems with rise out of the bed.
I suppose, that something is wrong with fis arm, shoulder, cervical vertebral column ora right brachial plexus. He needs any good medical specialist neurologist, orthopaedist. He should beginn with visit at neurologist.
I think you are reading way too much into his serve/performance problems.
Any good (he won´t go to a bad one) psychologist, Argentine or not, specially the ones that works in sports psychology (and trust me, I know what I`m talking about.... he won´t go to a psychoanalyst to improve his tennis performance) is able to differentiate a mental problem from a physical problem. And, certainly, there`s no need of any medical preparation to know about penal liability of misdiagnosed diseases, that´s part of any decent psychological preparation too.
From what all of us know about his "problems" (and that is information in the media), they are psychological, as he, some members of his family and coaches said more than once. In fact, I, IMHO, don´t think there´s any problem with the muscles of his arm or shoulder or cervical vertebral column or right brachial plexus It was reported, more than once that his serve is just fine in training sessions.
That, and his own words are enough for me
And I think I won´t say anything more about this issue I don´t think anyone is still interested in this specific discussion


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A short article in Olé says for Gumy "Calleri's ex-coach". None of the articles mention Calleri, they all say Gumy will be Coria's coach in 2007, period.
According to the article, Gumy doesn't want to comment yet on how they will work together with Guille.
He only said to Clarin: "Hay que ir despacio, paso a paso con un trabajo minucioso. Estuvo mucho tiempo sin jugar"
Something like: they must "tackle" it slowly, step by step, work meticulously. It's been a long time without playing.
http://www.clarin.com/diario/2006/11...es/d-05401.htm

There already is a lot of fuss about the WC for Viña del Mar, he asked for a WC, so did Cañas, Rios wouldn't get a WC then because there are only 2 WC, etc.:
http://www.tercera.cl/medio/articulo...001930,00.html
The best luck to Guille with Gumy Too funny how long he has been Calleri´s coach
Anyway, I`m sure he`ll receive WCs if it´s not Viña it will be any other S American clay tournament, for sure.... BTW, I didn´t know Rios was suposed to receive a WC in Viña... He is in the senior´s tour, I don´t know if that´s possible...
So, the candidates for the 2 Viña WCs are Guga, the Guillermos and Rios

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He had leg cramps in the FO final.
I think you mean the final of Miami against Roddick when he had an attack of kidney stones (and retired).
You know Truc, when somebody has predisposition to nephrolithiasis ( kydneystones ) , that means, that this person can have this disease in US, in France, in Germany, in Poland, in Indien, in Argentina. The symptoms of nephrolithiasis are: painful cramps, which are localised in lumbar area, which radiate to groin and internal part of the thigh. It can repeat. This is not only one time in life. Sometimes it can take both kidneys. Guillermo is sportsman and this is very hard to keep medical stuff in readiness, because Guillermo has just arrived. Maybe he had any hypokaliemie or hypomagnesemie during FO 2004, it can cause real very painful cramps in legs too. And it is very dangerous for life because of possibility of arrythmia. Maybe he should go to specialist ( neurologist, then orthopaedist ) , now when he has time to check up his cervical vertebral column ( nerve roots ), then right brachial plexus ( nerve roots ), then shuolder, arm ( groups of muscle, which can cause pressure syndroms too ( maybe ulnar tunnel syndrom or pressure for nerves by muscles groups in arm or shoulder - this is typical orthopedy disease ). This is very hard to explain this medical problems. Neurology and orthopedy are very hard domains. All this diseases can be treated.
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I think you are reading way too much into his serve/performance problems.
Any good (he won´t go to a bad one) psychologist, Argentine or not, specially the ones that works in sports psychology (and trust me, I know what I`m talking about.... he won´t go to a psychoanalyst to improve his tennis performance) is able to differentiate a mental problem from a physical problem. And, certainly, there`s no need of any medical preparation to know about penal liability of misdiagnosed diseases, that´s part of any decent psychological preparation too.
From what all of us know about his "problems" (and that is information in the media), they are psychological, as he, some members of his family and coaches said more than once. In fact, I, IMHO, don´t think there´s any problem with the muscles of his arm or shoulder or cervical vertebral column or right brachial plexus It was reported, more than once that his serve is just fine in training sessions.
That, and his own words are enough for me
And I think I won´t say anything more about this issue I don´t think anyone is still interested in this specific discussion
re Guga, the Guillermos and Rios
So when he has any mental problem, why does he repeat so stubbornly, that has no problem. Do you know his family, that you can say surely, that he has any mental problems because of bad family? What kind of mental problem could it be? Probably overpowering. As you are so good psychologist, you know surely, that when a man/woman has family problems, the only way of resue is to escape to work. Did you see any match of him at all? I saw his matches on TV and in Sopot life in this year and before a year too. It was tragedy because of his serve ( especially in this year ) because of any concrete medical problem with his arm. Most of all he must solve this problem. It can be treated probably.
Psychologists have no medical preparation by the way. And they have many mental problems too. In Poland are many psychologists, who are paedofiles.
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In Poland are many psychologists, who are paedofiles.
Man, that was heavy..how many of them do you know?And if you know anything you should better inform the police right away. There's been a huge scandal with one "psychologist" who was said to be sexually abusing his patients, but don't make it sound like a common or ordinary thing!There are some black sheeps in every profession, unforunatly among psychologists too..[a bit off-topic, but really did not expect that there are still ppl who think mental problems don't exist or are such a minor problem, that don't have to be solved by professionals...is it a source of embarrasement/disgrace to some? Shouldn't it b normal: with a toothache-u visit a dentist, with psychological or mental issues - a psychologist or psychoanalyst... ]Wavey..
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So when he has any mental problem, why does he repeat so stubbornly, that has no problem. Do you know his family, that you can say surely, that he has any mental problems because of bad family? What kind of mental problem could it be?
Maybe putting too much pressure on himself creating, for example, an anxiety that doesn´t let his tennis "flow"? or/and creating a mechanism of self-fulfilling prophecies? experiencing each mistake oncourt as a big failure? Just a couple of ideas. There can be tons of psychological reasons. Each case is different

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As you are so good psychologist, you know surely, that when a man/woman has family problems, the only way of resue is to escape to work.
I supose you were being ironic, right?

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Psychologists have no medical preparation by the way. And they have many mental problems too. In Poland are many psychologists, who are paedofiles.
It´s not my intention to argue..., it makes no sense doing it, to tell you the truth. As I pointed out previously, WE, ALL OF US (unless someone has some inner info) have the same sources and we make speculations based on that information and those sources.
I supose the fact he serves just fine in training sessions is not as important for you as it is for me. That`s fine. For me it´s an elemental piece of information before making any speculation/assumption, that is what ALL of us make here
Anyway, sports psychologists have the enough "preparation" to know when it´s a medical problem and when it´s a mental problem, at least to know there`s a possibility of a medical problem. In fact, any psychologist should be able to know it and make the patience see an specialist if he/she considers that possibility exists , if not, it´s not a good psychologist.
And about pedophiles..., well, that can be said about any profession too...., in fact, it can be said about many human beings, including doctors!! . It has nothing to do with the profession.

Lets end this here. I don´t think it makes any sense, lets agree to disagree

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After reading what mtw has had to say, I have to tell you all I am very worried about this little Guillermo Coria. I don't know him personally (if I did I would have given him a good slap by now) but if mtw is correct, and I don't know enough or anything at all about the technicalities of what is being discussed, it seems to me that someone who might be suffering from a renal colic and maybe also a problem with the cervical vertebral column or even right brachial plexus is in need of maybe not just a neurologist, but also a dentist and someone from social services.

I think the best way is for mtw to get this information to little Guillermo Coria. ForoCoria is the best way. It could be very important to his career, but I don't understand the specifics because I don't have any medical background (although I have broken my ankle a couple of times and dislocated my knee).

I hope our little Guillermo Coria is not suffering from a disease, but it's hard analyse for sure his renal colic when I am so far from him, but somehow we must get this information to him so that we can rest easy and be sure. If he is suffering from a disease and he is in denial, we must shake him out of his denial and save him before his brachial plexus takes us all down.

mtw I hope you get this info to little Guille, I don't understand why in Sopot you didn't shout to him "NEUROLOGIST, NEUROLOGIST", when I was in BA if I had known I would have done it, but I just kept shouting "VAMOS GUILLE", because it was all I could do to help him as I didn't have the medical background.

And please if what you say is true, and I have no reason not to believe you, I hope little Guillermo Coria never comes in contact with a Polish Psychologist, I think he is very vulnerable right now and to position him with a paedophile is not the best idea.

I hope you get this news to Coria, let us know if you succeed.

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mtw I hope you get this info to little Guille, I don't understand why in Sopot you didn't shout to him "NEUROLOGIST, NEUROLOGIST", when I was in BA if I had known I would have done it, but I just kept shouting "VAMOS GUILLE", because it was all I could do to help him as I didn't have the medical background.
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After reading what mtw has had to say, I have to tell you all I am very worried about this little Guillermo Coria. I don't know him personally (if I did I would have given him a good slap by now) but if mtw is correct, and I don't know enough or anything at all about the technicalities of what is being discussed, it seems to me that someone who might be suffering from a renal colic and maybe also a problem with the cervical vertebral column or even right brachial plexus is in need of maybe not just a neurologist, but also a dentist and someone from social services.

I think the best way is for mtw to get this information to little Guillermo Coria. ForoCoria is the best way. It could be very important to his career, but I don't understand the specifics because I don't have any medical background (although I have broken my ankle a couple of times and dislocated my knee).

I hope our little Guillermo Coria is not suffering from a disease, but it's hard analyse for sure his renal colic when I am so far from him, but somehow we must get this information to him so that we can rest easy and be sure. If he is suffering from a disease and he is in denial, we must shake him out of his denial and save him before his brachial plexus takes us all down.

mtw I hope you get this info to little Guille, I don't understand why in Sopot you didn't shout to him "NEUROLOGIST, NEUROLOGIST", when I was in BA if I had known I would have done it, but I just kept shouting "VAMOS GUILLE", because it was all I could do to help him as I didn't have the medical background.

And please if what you say is true, and I have no reason not to believe you, I hope little Guillermo Coria never comes in contact with a Polish Psychologist, I think he is very vulnerable right now and to position him with a paedophile is not the best idea.

I hope you get this news to Coria, let us know if you succeed.
You know. Guillermo Coria is your argentinian player and maybe you should shout something smart not only ,,vamos Guille". We have no duty to learn spanish in Poland and your language is no spanish but southamerican spanish. Maybe you have not neurologists or othopaedists in Argentina. It seems, that you have only psychologists, dentists and very stupid, non educated journalists.
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And about pedophiles..., well, that can be said about any profession too...., in fact, it can be said about many human beings, including doctors!! . It has nothing to do with the profession.

Lets end this here. I don´t think it makes any sense, lets agree to disagree
You know, that you can speak all about doctors. They make diagnostic faults, some of them trink too much ( this profesion is very hard and stressful. Symptoms are very variable by different patients ). But you may not say, that they are deviants. In your occupation perversions are quite common. I knew a few patients, who commited suicide after successive visit by psychologists. How could it be explained? Suicidal rate is quite high in Argentina, isn't it? Maybe all people come to psychologists. By the way psychologists have schisophrenia not very rare. Maybe they should go first to psychiatrist, before they begin to giving a piece of advice to patients.
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Man, that was heavy..how many of them do you know?And if you know anything you should better inform the police right away. There's been a huge scandal with one "psychologist" who was said to be sexually abusing his patients, but don't make it sound like a common or ordinary thing!There are some black sheeps in every profession, unforunatly among psychologists too..[a bit off-topic, but really did not expect that there are still ppl who think mental problems don't exist or are such a minor problem, that don't have to be solved by professionals...is it a source of embarrasement/disgrace to some? Shouldn't it b normal: with a toothache-u visit a dentist, with psychological or mental issues - a psychologist or psychoanalyst... ]Wavey..
I don't know, but I have read it in internet and in the polish press, it was given in the news on TV. Maybe have you problems with your sight? It was special psychologist, who worked with children. He helped the girls by the larning. They had problems firstly not very large and then larger. By the way he is in jail now.
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You know, that you can speak all about doctors. They make diagnostic faults, some of them trink too much ( this profesion is very hard and stressful. Symptoms are very variable by different patients ). But you may not say, that they are deviants. In your occupation perversions are quite common. I knew a few patients, who commited suicide after successive visit by psychologists. How could it be explained? Suicidal rate is quite high in Argentina, isn't it? Maybe all people come to psychologists. By the way psychologists have schisophrenia not very rare. Maybe they should go first to psychiatrist, before they begin to giving a piece of advice to patients.


And Guille might commit suicide too?!!!


are you a doctor?? are you 21? some of the things you say show a total lack of knowledge of schizophrenia, for example, and scientific standards of clinical studies (to name the first thing that comes to my mind), to make such statements. And it´s really rare that a doctor doesn´t know or have any idea of the minimum requirements for working as a psychologist or psychiatrist (and that is in all the world)

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mtw I hope you get this info to little Guille, I don't understand why in Sopot you didn't shout to him "NEUROLOGIST, NEUROLOGIST", when I was in BA if I had known I would have done it, but I just kept shouting "VAMOS GUILLE", because it was all I could do to help him as I didn't have the medical background.



EDIT: And I just wanted to say I`m sorry to all the Coria fans around here... I didn´t meant to do it.... I`m very, very sorry.

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You know. Guillermo Coria is your argentinian player and maybe you should shout something smart not only ,,vamos Guille".
I did say something smart, I'm the one who told him to lose the bandana thing and put the cap back on!

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I'm sure there are some.

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Doesn't every country?
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Polish journalists are maybe not very smart but they are not stupid ( except for sport journalists ). They write about many dangerous social, political problems. I think, that it is good. They write the truth.
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And Guille might commit suicide too?!!!

No. He goes to US specialist. They are psychiatrist very oft not only psychologists.



are you a doctor?? are you 21? some of the things you say show a total lack of knowledge of schizophrenia, for example, and scientific standards of clinical studies (to name the first thing that comes to my mind), to make such statements. And it´s really rare that a doctor doesn´t know or have any idea of the minimum requirements for working as a psychologist or psychiatrist (and that is in all the world)

I am not 21. You know, that woman gives always biological age. I am not very young. I have quite good clinical experience.
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No. He goes to US specialist. They are psychiatrist very oft not only psychologists.
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But he is ARGENTINE!!!


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I am not 21. You know, that woman gives always biological age. I am not very young. I have quite good clinical experience.
Woman??? What woman?? I looked it up your MTF profile. There you say you were born in 1985. And yes, I was asking you about your biological age, not your mental age (if that`s what you are talking about).
You didn´t answer my question, are you a doctor? I doesn´t seem you are. And the least I can say is that you don´t seem have the RIGHT clinical experience to make the statements you did about psychologists, psychiatrists, psychology and any mental/psychological illness. Your concept of "illness" (of any kind) and suicide rates and their causes is bizarre, to say the least. And any doctor would know that most of what you said about it is hilarious, not to mention the part about an schizophrenic psychologists .

Finally, I`m sorry for all that rant , but I`m deviant, pervert, schizophrenic and suicidal (and I guess I might be a pedophile). They good thing is I`m not a psychologist yet...., but I`m argentine

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