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Old 06-24-2013, 07:11 PM   #16
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His movement is great on clay but worse on grass, especially lush grass. Not sure about HC.
His movement has always been better on clay than on grass. So what? All of a sudden he can't move on grass?
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His movement has always been better on clay than on grass. So what? All of a sudden he can't move on grass?
He's never moved well on first week grass, where it's slippery and the footing is less stable. And he's not 21 anymore, it's much harder for him to get out of corners and defend than it used to.
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Default Re: With Nadal's movement in clear decline, should he bring back USO 2010 serve?

Nadal is finished on all courts except Clay.

Even on Clay Nole is catching up fast so looks like the moonballer will finish on 12 slams.

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He's never moved well on first week grass, where it's slippery and the footing is less stable. And he's not 21 anymore, it's much harder for him to get out of corners and defend than it used to.
Utter nonsense. Please don't comment on things like this which require you to have been watching tennis for more than a year.

I remember watching Nadal as far back as when he smashed Lee Childs in the 2nd round in 2003 and his movement was superb.

Then there's those matches where he squeezed out wins due to getting balls back against the likes of Kendrick, Soderling, Haase, Petzschner, Muller and the like. Even when he defeated Agassi, the old man was moving him around the court like crazy and he was returning everything.

To say he has never moved well on fresh grass is bloody stupid.
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Well he said the main reason he dropped it was because it was putting a ton of strain on his shoulder. So yeah, it MIGHT get him one more HC Slam or something but at the risk of breaking his body even further. Besides his movement was fine in IW this year, clearly playing on Grass after a lot of matches with little preparation is the problem, not non-Clay in general.
It's not necessarily hard courts that are obviously the issue. It's low bouncing courts where Nadal has to bend his knee to reach balls. Indian Wells was slow and high bouncing. He didn't have any obvious problems there. Of course, Nadal might struggle on hard courts going forward and I expect him to skip those tournaments where he obviously won't have much success (i.e. Cincinatti).
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Default Re: With Nadal's movement in clear decline, should he bring back USO 2010 serve?

No great Wimbledon champion has struggled in the first week of the tournament like Nadal. He just doesn't like that fresh grass where the footing is worse and he actually has to attack, which he struggles to do when his topspin is void by the low skidding bounce.
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Default Re: With Nadal's movement in clear decline, should he bring back USO 2010 serve?

He needs to play a grass tournament as preparation. And if the knee was still a serious issue then he also needs surgery.

The 2010 US Open serve was too much of a one-off for it to be so easily "brought back."
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The interesting and the weird thing is that how can someone gain such a serve for only two weeks for it to disappear and to never return again.

Don't think I've ever seen something like this before
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The interesting and the weird thing is that how can someone gain such a serve for only two weeks for it to disappear and to never return again.

Don't think I've ever seen something like this before
That would be the definition of luck
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He still can serve like that but chooses not to? How generous this Humblito is.
Maybe he is worried he is going to win more Slams?
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Well, if you ever played tennis you would know that "bringing back USO serve" isn't exactly walk in the park or a thing you can learn with uncle Toni overnight It takes some time and I'm not sure he can even do it consistently. And if he misses the 1st serve, it puts more pressure on the 2nd serve again.

2010 was sort of Nadal's serving peak.
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This is getting retarded. Nadal was moving like a God at the FO, making his usual impossible gets and winners. There is nothing wrong with the guy.
That could sell like killer on eBay if it wasn't copyrighted stuff. lol. I want to thank Rafa from the bottom of my heart for khis greatest performance in khistory
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Nadal is finished on all courts except Clay.

Even on Clay Nole is catching up fast so looks like the moonballer will finish on 12 slams.

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That's what I'm saying. He's such a great humanitarian I can't believe you guys still hate him after this
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Utter nonsense. Please don't comment on things like this which require you to have been watching tennis for more than a year.

I remember watching Nadal as far back as when he smashed Lee Childs in the 2nd round in 2003 and his movement was superb.

Then there's those matches where he squeezed out wins due to getting balls back against the likes of Kendrick, Soderling, Haase, Petzschner, Muller and the like. Even when he defeated Agassi, the old man was moving him around the court like crazy and he was returning everything.

To say he has never moved well on fresh grass is bloody stupid.
Of course Nadal's movement looked good in 2003, he had just turned 17

Nadal had always struggled in the first week, but would normally go on to the final if he got going. Last year a bit, and especially this year, Nadal simply cannot bend so low for grass courts anymore. I think he will do better on hard, as he can take more punishment in terms of lateral knee destruction, Indian Wells 2013.

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Well, if you ever played tennis you would know that "bringing back USO serve" isn't exactly walk in the park or a thing you can learn with uncle Toni overnight It takes some time and I'm not sure he can even do it consistently. And if he misses the 1st serve, it puts more pressure on the 2nd serve again.

2010 was sort of Nadal's serving peak.
He just needs to change his grip again

As for 2nd serve, I think if he is going for big serves on the 1st, the 2nd will also naturally become more aggressive. He may hit some more DF, but I think its something he must live with. He cannot rely solely on movement and defense anymore.
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