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Old 06-24-2013, 02:56 PM   #16
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Default Re: Top sports statistican: Connors best in open era. Borg 2nd. Fed 3rd. Sampras 14th

I´d like to see the actual model, because both the results and the verbal explanation seem quite ridicilous, really. Then again, who am I to say anything, I have absolutely no idea what the levels of guys like Bertolucci or Barazzutti were....
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Old 06-24-2013, 03:11 PM   #17
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Connors performed in the years when he was playing against Ivan Lendl, who played against Becker, who played against Sampras who played against Agassi, who was still reaching Grand Slam finals when Federer

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Sampras won 8 of his 14 slams in the second half of the 90s, when it's fairly obvious the competition was not at its most formidable (Carlos Moya at world number one speaks for itself). 1990-92 was extremely strong, probably the best period of all time, and he only made two finals there.

On the other hand, imo his peak Wimbledon level was so high he'd likely have won most even against stronger opponents.
Sampras was 18-20 years-old and before his prime in 1990-1992. It's still great that he managed to win US Open, beating Lendl, McEnroe and Agassi on the way. Apart from that win and USO 1992 final (he beat world no.1 in semis), he also got to 2 QF and 1 semi in Slams at that period. So I wouldn't call it "only".

I agree with the second part of your post.
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Old 06-24-2013, 03:33 PM   #19
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Old 06-24-2013, 07:57 PM   #20
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Sampras won 8 of his 14 slams in the second half of the 90s, when it's fairly obvious the competition was not at its most formidable (Carlos Moya at world number one speaks for itself). 1990-92 was extremely strong, probably the best period of all time, and he only made two finals there.

On the other hand, imo his peak Wimbledon level was so high he'd likely have won most even against stronger opponents.
Looking at Sampras' Majors from 1995-1999:

1995 Wimbledon: beat Ivanišević and Becker

1995 U.S. Open: beat (a young) Philippoussis, Todd Martin, Jim Courier, and Andre Agassi

1996 U.S. Open: beat Jiří Novák, Alexander Volkov, Philippoussis, Ŕlex Corretja, Ivanišević, and Michael Chang

1997 Australian Open: beat Albert Costa, Thomas Muster, and Carlos Moyŕ

1997 Wimbledon: beat Petr Korda, Boris Becker, and Cédric Pioline

1998 WImbledon: beat Thomas Enqvist, Philippoussis, Henman, and Ivanišević

1999 Wimbledon: beat Philippoussis (who retired in the 2nd set), Henman, and Agassi.

Besides the 1997 Australian Open, I don't see an easy Major win among Pete's second half of the '90s tally, and, even there, he had to beat 3 players who had or would win Majors (albeit all 3 at the French), 2 of whom were ranked #1. At Wimbledon '95, he beat 2 Wimbledon champions. At U.S. Open '95, he beat a U.S. Open champion and three finalists. At '96 U.S. Open, he beat 2 Major Champions and 2 Major finalists. At '97 WImbledon, he beat a 3 time Wimbledon champion. At '98 WImbledon, he beat a WImbledon champion and a Wimbledon finalist. And, at '99 Wimbledon, he beat a Wimbledon champion and a Wimbledon finalist (who got injured).
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I just used the model for the actual Wimby and it shows a new favorite for the tittle - Steve Darcis


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"Sampras’s 14 Grand Slams are still hugely impressive, but he achieved them when the depth of competition for titles had never been weaker."

This person seems to think opposite of what everyone else does.
BULLSHIT! The Federer era 03-08, was the weakest period in recent tennis.
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The results alone pretty much kill whatever credibility that could have.

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BULLSHIT! The Federer era 03-08, was the weakest period in recent tennis.
The last 5 years say hi.
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So you think an era in which your precious Nadal won 5 GS titles was weak.
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Oh no, a site doesn't agree with some people. It's author must be dumb, stupid and brainless....
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BULLSHIT! The Federer era 03-08, was the weakest period in recent tennis.
This doesn't even make any sense.

2003 was a completely different era from 2006 even.
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Old 06-24-2013, 11:06 PM   #27
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Okey. This seem a bit mathematical for my liking.
And you can definitely argue about its validness.
Interesting read however.

Ahead of the Wimbledon Championships, and after inputting the results of more than 20,000 Grand Slam matches involving over 1,000 players into his highly sophisticated computer model, one of the UK’s leading sports statisticians believes he has the answer: it’s Jimmy Connors.

https://theconversation.com/forget-f...greatest-15431
http://manchestergazette.co.uk/conno...-statistician/
I do think Connors is underrated, especially here, but the criteria used here borders on the absurd. The Connors-Lendl-Borg-McEnroe era was not tougher than the Sampras-Becker-Edberg-Wilander-Agassi era. A win is a win, no matter how difficult or easy. True, Sampras was weak on clay, but Connors or McEnroe weren't much better. I do think slams get too much credit when considering a players greatness, but Pete did win multiple slams on 3 different surfaces. Borg never won a hard court slam, and the fact that he didn't play much in Australia, means little as he had several chances at the USO and failed.
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The results alone pretty much kill whatever credibility that could have.



The last 5 years say hi.
How many slams has Federer won the past 5 years? His first 5 year slam main competition was against: Hewitt, mid thirties Agassi, Nalbandian, Roddick, Baghdadis, Safin and even lesser players. The came Nadal, who could not win a slam off clay till 09, then Novak who did not reach his peak till 2011. Pete had Agassi, Becker, Edberg, Wilander, Chang, and Courier among others to contend with. The Connors-Borg- Lendl McEnore era was also much tougher than Roger's 03-08 as well as the 09-13 period.
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How about "No"?
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