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Old 06-20-2013, 10:57 PM   #16
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Default Re: Rafael Nadal getting seeded No. 5 at Wimbledon is a joke

It is correct to not change the formula for one person. It's been the same for everyone else every year, too. There is no logic behind making the exception, only emotions.
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Old 06-20-2013, 11:00 PM   #17
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Murray in QF would be great... Rafa to destroy him, like he did in 2008, 2010 and 2011.
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Roger lost in round 1 in 2002 though.
Then he should've been EXTRA not allowed!
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Old 06-20-2013, 11:51 PM   #19
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Not a bigger joke than this mug thread. People who lose in R2 should not be allowed in the next tournament.
Idiot here.

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Losing to a journeyman ranked #100 is a joke.
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Old 06-20-2013, 11:58 PM   #21
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Idiot here.
The only difference being I was making a fun of your retarded thread by not being serious. You on the other hand were completely immersed in your stupidity and fanboyism of the buttpicker.

Asking for the Nadal to be seeded any differently is even more ridiculous than him being seeded 5 at RG.
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No, he is seeded correctly using a proper formula.

He hasnt demonstrated in the last 2 years that he was good enough on grass courts. Technically since he lost to Rosol ranked so low last year him being seeded at all is a joke. Its obvious there are plenty better grass courters there.
delusional much?
5 Wimbledon finals, 2 Titles, has won queens?
Nadal is one of the best grass court players in the world you are just a hater who is either obsessed with bringing rain down on Nadal or taking some strange drug
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nadal is seeded where he should be given his results in the past 12 months.
One and only thing that should have been said before closing this thread. Rules are rules.
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Too much whining. Nadal is not making QF anyway, this is not clay!
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It is correct to not change the formula for one person. It's been the same for everyone else every year, too. There is no logic behind making the exception, only emotions.
there actually is logic in it, that it's a bit strange that arguably the most successful grass court player of the last 5 or so years is seeded underneath a player who has made 1 QF at Wimbledon in 10 appearances

I think there is clear cut logic in rankings as well, but in this case Wimbledon does use a format in which they consider the previous seasons results. this seems to be a rather subjective format- a logical person would wonder whatever made them make a format that counts only last season's success? if they're using past experience to explain the level of a player what scientific data says that only one previous result matters?
obviously it is the most recent or relevant, but I can see how someone might question the whole thing, when Wimbledon already has a rather unusual formula that in this case does not help at all.
they made the formula so people wouldn't be seeded too lowly based on their merits, to prevent situations like this from occurring

obviously it is what it is, but there is certainly a logical argument that Nadal could have been seeded higher just based on his incredible consistancy here
i.e. made final in 2006, 2007 won in 2008, didn't play in 2009, won in 2010, made final in 2011. since 2005 in the times that he has played he has only once lost early- 2012

this is one of those rare situations where I think they should use their brains a bit more
it's not the end of the world though

if Nadal really should have gotten better seeding in the first place then he will prove it by getting past the harder odds in a big players QF
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Old 06-21-2013, 12:17 AM   #26
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Yes, and if Wimbledon were going to break them, they'd have to do it wholesale, not just to benefit Rafa.

Let's see:

Djokovic: (did he play pre-W2012? Can't remember) W2012 beaten semi-finalist; O2012 4th; no grass this year
Murray: Out early Queen's 2012; W2012 beaten finalist; O2012 winner; Queen's 2013 winner
Federer: beaten finalist Halle 2012; W2012 winner; O2012 second; winner Halle 2013
... and I'm not even going to try to recall Ferrer's grass-court performance last year, but suffice it to say that this year's wouldn't do him any favours.

Sorry, was replying to post 3 posts up: the other two came in while I was typing

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Roger lost in round 1 in 2002 though.
People who lose in Round 1 then should be banned for the next two years. Just Joking.
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Old 06-21-2013, 12:23 AM   #28
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this seems to be a rather subjective format- a logical person would wonder whatever made them make a format that counts only last season's success? if they're using past experience to explain the level of a player what scientific data says that only one previous result matters?
They don't - it's actually the last 2 years' performances. I think the weighting was 100% for the past year and 75% for the previous one, or something like that.

I'm not sure this situation is actually necessarily any more disadvantageous for Nadal than it is for the poor so-and-so who gets drawn to meet him in the QF, though. They're both potentially going to have to go through the rest of the Big Four to win the title, aren't they? And the UK papers are making such a fuss about Murray potentially having to do it: Djokovic is in exactly the same boat, and I think Federer is too, if I've calculated correctly.
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Hmm. It was Spanish clay courters complaining about the subjectivity of the Wimbledon seeding committee's decisions which led to them adopting the grass court formula in the first place wasn't it?

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The Biggest worry for Other 3 of the Top 4 is that Rafa should not land in their Quarter.
Irrespective of the surface, Rafa is NOT some one you want to face before the Championship match.

But, No body is above Rules. If the Wimbledon seeding committee decided to follow the book, so be it.

Friday's draw and its analysis in MTF will be so voluminous and contentious .

I just can not wait for it .
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