Wimbledon Main Draw Discussions - Page 5 - MensTennisForums.com

MensTennisForums.com

MenstennisForums.com is the premier Men's Tennis forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.Please Register - It's Free!

View Poll Results: WWW Wimbledon?

Novak Djokovic 73 30.80%
Andy Murray 52 21.94%
Roger Federer 48 20.25%
David Ferrer 0 0%
Rafael Nadal 43 18.14%
Tomas Berdych 0 0%
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga 1 0.42%
Juan Martin Del Potro 2 0.84%
Ernests Gulbis 5 2.11%
Grigor Dimitrov 5 2.11%
Tommy Haas 3 1.27%
Other (specify) 5 2.11%
Voters: 237. You may not vote on this poll

Reply

Old 06-18-2013, 10:02 PM   #61
country flag Mark Lenders
Registered User
 
Mark Lenders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Lisbon, Portugal
Posts: 13,649
Mark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Wimbledon Main Draw Discussions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Federer in 2 View Post
Umm...Do you remember Ferrer's last matches with Tsonga and Berdych in the current millennium? You know, the ones that are not yet buried so deep in the history books that the pages need to be cleaned with a fossil brush...
It was two years ago at this tournament, the only match they ever played on grass. I don't know about you, but my memory isn't that short. If Ferrer plays Tsonga/Berdych in the QF (assuming he gets to avoid his master Malisse and others early on), expect him to lose.
__________________
MTF games Grand Slam titles:

Suicide Tennis - Wimbledon 2014
Fill-In-The-Draw - US Open 2014
Mark Lenders is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 

Old 06-18-2013, 10:04 PM   #62
country flag Illusive Man
Registered User
 
Illusive Man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 4,241
Illusive Man has a reputation beyond reputeIllusive Man has a reputation beyond reputeIllusive Man has a reputation beyond reputeIllusive Man has a reputation beyond reputeIllusive Man has a reputation beyond reputeIllusive Man has a reputation beyond reputeIllusive Man has a reputation beyond reputeIllusive Man has a reputation beyond reputeIllusive Man has a reputation beyond reputeIllusive Man has a reputation beyond reputeIllusive Man has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Wimbledon Main Draw Discussions

This argument between Fed in 2 and lenders:

330x182px-LL-7dc6c095_micheal-jackson-eating-popcorn-theater-gif.gif

For what its worth, Ferrer has gotten more consistent from 2011 IMO...
__________________
Supporting

Tier 1: Fish, Kuznetsov, Donskoy, Kyrgios, Vesely, Thiem, Coric

Tier 2: All other young players (We need a new generation of players!)

Tier 3: Carreno, Pella, Struff, Janowicz, Goffin

Last edited by Illusive Man : 06-18-2013 at 10:07 PM.
Illusive Man is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2013, 10:04 PM   #63
country flag GSMnadal
Registered User
 
GSMnadal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Netherlands
Age: 22
Posts: 16,478
GSMnadal has a reputation beyond reputeGSMnadal has a reputation beyond reputeGSMnadal has a reputation beyond reputeGSMnadal has a reputation beyond reputeGSMnadal has a reputation beyond reputeGSMnadal has a reputation beyond reputeGSMnadal has a reputation beyond reputeGSMnadal has a reputation beyond reputeGSMnadal has a reputation beyond reputeGSMnadal has a reputation beyond reputeGSMnadal has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Wimbledon Main Draw Discussions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Federer in 2 View Post
I'd really love to know how GSMnadal is thinking. He writes a review for RG, where he includes detailed info about 5 players: The top 4 + David Ferrer. So far so good.
Then Ferrer goes on to reach the final, and two weeks later not only is he out of the 'main contenders', but not even a dark horse?

Brilliant
I'd love to give you a detailed reply sooner, but Fat Camel basically answered it. This is Wimbledon, not RG. Notice how Nadal has dropped from first to fourth place among the main contenders? How would you explain that after he won RG? And why I bumped up Federer to #1 despite him embarrassing himself against Tsonga on clay?

It's grass, it's a whole different beast to clay. I look at previous results, current form, grass credentials and a little bit what I think is going to happen or who I see as the favourites.

Ferrer probably reaches R4/QF, maybe even SF with the right draw, but will do so without beating anyone noteworthy. He's NOT a dark horse for the title and NOT a dark horse for a potential shocking upset.
__________________
RAFAEL NADAL

'Rafael Nadal is the best ever' - John McEnroe

1 AO - 9 RG - 2 W - 2 USO
GSMnadal is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2013, 10:08 PM   #64
country flag Mark Lenders
Registered User
 
Mark Lenders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Lisbon, Portugal
Posts: 13,649
Mark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Wimbledon Main Draw Discussions

Quote:
Originally Posted by GSMnadal View Post
I'd love to give you a detailed reply sooner, but Fat Camel basically answered it. This is Wimbledon, not RG. Notice how Nadal has dropped from first to fourth place among the main contenders? How would you explain that after he won RG? And why I bumped up Federer to #1 despite him embarrassing himself against Tsonga on clay?

It's grass, it's a whole different beast to clay. I look at previous results, current form, grass credentials and a little bit what I think is going to happen or who I see as the favourites.

Ferrer probably reaches R4/QF, maybe even SF with the right draw, but will do so without beating anyone noteworthy. He's NOT a dark horse for the title and NOT a dark horse for a potential shocking upset.
Surely Tsonga deserves a 5th detailed preview then, no? I mean if Vulture got one for RG where he was still no threat to take out any top player, surely Tsonga deserves it with his two consecutive SFs here, taking out Federer in style and only losing tight matches to Murray and Djokovic on grass since 2011.
__________________
MTF games Grand Slam titles:

Suicide Tennis - Wimbledon 2014
Fill-In-The-Draw - US Open 2014
Mark Lenders is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2013, 10:08 PM   #65
country flag Federer in 2
Registered User
 
Federer in 2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 7,583
Federer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Wimbledon Main Draw Discussions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Lenders View Post
It was two years ago at this tournament, the only match they ever played on grass. I don't know about you, but my memory isn't that short. If Ferrer plays Tsonga/Berdych in the QF (assuming he gets to avoid his master Malisse and others early on), expect him to lose.
Something really craptacular will need to happen for me to expect Ferrer to lose a set to Del Potro, Berydch or Tsonga, on any surface, at any time.
__________________

ROGER FEDERER

'Roger Federer is the best ever' - Everyone else other than John McEnroe

4 AO - 1 RG - 7 W - 5 USO

Quote:
Originally Posted by nadalfan2013 View Post
Standing ovation for Nadal.
Quote:
Originally Posted by nadalfan2013 View Post
Standing ovation for Federer. Disgusting.
#NoBiasTho
Federer in 2 is online now View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2013, 10:10 PM   #66
country flag Federer in 2
Registered User
 
Federer in 2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 7,583
Federer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Wimbledon Main Draw Discussions

Quote:
Originally Posted by GSMnadal View Post
I'd love to give you a detailed reply sooner, but Fat Camel basically answered it. This is Wimbledon, not RG. Notice how Nadal has dropped from first to fourth place among the main contenders? How would you explain that after he won RG? And why I bumped up Federer to #1 despite him embarrassing himself against Tsonga on clay?

It's grass, it's a whole different beast to clay. I look at previous results, current form, grass credentials and a little bit what I think is going to happen or who I see as the favourites.

Ferrer probably reaches R4/QF, maybe even SF with the right draw, but will do so without beating anyone noteworthy. He's NOT a dark horse for the title and NOT a dark horse for a potential shocking upset.
Ferrer has a better chance of upsetting a top 4 member, especially Murray, than most of the guys listed as dark horses
__________________

ROGER FEDERER

'Roger Federer is the best ever' - Everyone else other than John McEnroe

4 AO - 1 RG - 7 W - 5 USO

Quote:
Originally Posted by nadalfan2013 View Post
Standing ovation for Nadal.
Quote:
Originally Posted by nadalfan2013 View Post
Standing ovation for Federer. Disgusting.
#NoBiasTho
Federer in 2 is online now View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2013, 10:10 PM   #67
country flag ProdigyEng
#1
 
ProdigyEng's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Age: 22
Posts: 29,100
ProdigyEng has a reputation beyond reputeProdigyEng has a reputation beyond reputeProdigyEng has a reputation beyond reputeProdigyEng has a reputation beyond reputeProdigyEng has a reputation beyond reputeProdigyEng has a reputation beyond reputeProdigyEng has a reputation beyond reputeProdigyEng has a reputation beyond reputeProdigyEng has a reputation beyond reputeProdigyEng has a reputation beyond reputeProdigyEng has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Wimbledon Main Draw Discussions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Federer in 2 View Post
Ferrer has a better chance of upsetting a top 4 member, especially Murray, than most of the guys listed as dark horses
FERRER UPSETTING MURRAY ON GRASS?
LOL.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by sportstennis View Post
And, Roger Federer ranks 5th.
But any problem cannot be found?

argument.
Quote:
"Janowicz is a little crazy, but off the court very nice and humble." - Jurgen Melzer

http://marekfurjan.blox.pl/2014/11/S...lczy-o-AO.html
^^^ suck it ill informed JJ haters.
ProdigyEng is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2013, 10:11 PM   #68
country flag Federer in 2
Registered User
 
Federer in 2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 7,583
Federer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Wimbledon Main Draw Discussions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Prodigy. View Post
FERRER UPSETTING MURRAY ON GRASS?
LOL.
Didn't he push Grassray last year?
__________________

ROGER FEDERER

'Roger Federer is the best ever' - Everyone else other than John McEnroe

4 AO - 1 RG - 7 W - 5 USO

Quote:
Originally Posted by nadalfan2013 View Post
Standing ovation for Nadal.
Quote:
Originally Posted by nadalfan2013 View Post
Standing ovation for Federer. Disgusting.
#NoBiasTho
Federer in 2 is online now View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2013, 10:13 PM   #69
country flag Mark Lenders
Registered User
 
Mark Lenders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Lisbon, Portugal
Posts: 13,649
Mark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Wimbledon Main Draw Discussions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Federer in 2 View Post
Something really craptacular will need to happen for me to expect Ferrer to lose a set to Del Potro, Berydch or Tsonga, on any surface, at any time.
Well, better pray that Ferrer gets del Potro then - or that he gets Berdych, and Tomas gets a super tough draw early on like French Open - otherwise you'll be in for quite a shock - which won't really be a shock for people who don't overrated Ferrer to ridiculous extents.
__________________
MTF games Grand Slam titles:

Suicide Tennis - Wimbledon 2014
Fill-In-The-Draw - US Open 2014
Mark Lenders is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2013, 10:14 PM   #70
country flag Tiebreak100
Registered User
 
Tiebreak100's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 3,717
Tiebreak100 has a reputation beyond reputeTiebreak100 has a reputation beyond reputeTiebreak100 has a reputation beyond reputeTiebreak100 has a reputation beyond reputeTiebreak100 has a reputation beyond reputeTiebreak100 has a reputation beyond reputeTiebreak100 has a reputation beyond reputeTiebreak100 has a reputation beyond reputeTiebreak100 has a reputation beyond reputeTiebreak100 has a reputation beyond reputeTiebreak100 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Wimbledon Main Draw Discussions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Federer in 2 View Post
Didn't he push Grassray last year?
Yes, it was tight. The Spaniard could and probably should have went 2 sets up.
Tiebreak100 is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2013, 10:16 PM   #71
country flag Federer in 2
Registered User
 
Federer in 2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 7,583
Federer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond reputeFederer in 2 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Wimbledon Main Draw Discussions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiebreak100 View Post
Yes, it was tight. The Spaniard could and probably should, have went 2 sets up.
He had a set point in the second set tie break. It was 6-5, but Murray was serving, so I wouldn't call it 'should have', but it was indeed tight.
__________________

ROGER FEDERER

'Roger Federer is the best ever' - Everyone else other than John McEnroe

4 AO - 1 RG - 7 W - 5 USO

Quote:
Originally Posted by nadalfan2013 View Post
Standing ovation for Nadal.
Quote:
Originally Posted by nadalfan2013 View Post
Standing ovation for Federer. Disgusting.
#NoBiasTho
Federer in 2 is online now View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2013, 10:17 PM   #72
country flag GSMnadal
Registered User
 
GSMnadal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Netherlands
Age: 22
Posts: 16,478
GSMnadal has a reputation beyond reputeGSMnadal has a reputation beyond reputeGSMnadal has a reputation beyond reputeGSMnadal has a reputation beyond reputeGSMnadal has a reputation beyond reputeGSMnadal has a reputation beyond reputeGSMnadal has a reputation beyond reputeGSMnadal has a reputation beyond reputeGSMnadal has a reputation beyond reputeGSMnadal has a reputation beyond reputeGSMnadal has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Wimbledon Main Draw Discussions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Lenders View Post
Surely Tsonga deserves a 5th detailed preview then, no? I mean if Vulture got one for RG where he was still no threat to take out any top player, surely Tsonga deserves it with his two consecutive SFs here, taking out Federer in style and only losing tight matches to Murray and Djokovic on grass since 2011.
Thought about it, but this tournament is all about the big 4. I saw Ferrer as a real threat to do some damage at RG (definitely better than Murray and better than Federer as long as they wouldn't meet) and he justified my thinking by reaching the final.

On grass, the big 4 will be too much. Jo can beat Federer, I would expect him to, but not more than that.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Federer in 2 View Post
Ferrer has a better chance of upsetting a top 4 member, especially Murray, than most of the guys listed as dark horses
Ferrer is not beating a top 4 member on grass, please. Some of the dark horses weren't picked for their potential to upset a top 4 member (i only see Jo, Tomas and Ernests capable of doing that), but on their potential to achieve more than is expected of them. Ferrer has about the least chance to outperform what is expected of him of all the players in the draw.
__________________
RAFAEL NADAL

'Rafael Nadal is the best ever' - John McEnroe

1 AO - 9 RG - 2 W - 2 USO
GSMnadal is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2013, 10:19 PM   #73
country flag Mark Lenders
Registered User
 
Mark Lenders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Lisbon, Portugal
Posts: 13,649
Mark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Wimbledon Main Draw Discussions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Federer in 2 View Post
He had a set point in the second set tie break. It was 6-5, but Murray was serving, so I wouldn't call it 'should have', but it was indeed tight.
He served for the second set and choked in typical Ferrer fashion. Anyway, Baghdatis and Karlovic also took a set and almost two off Murray and no one is hailing them as dark horses. Ferrer can make a SF if he gets a very easy draw early on + gets drawn into delPo's quarter, that's his limit. As soon as he faces the top 4, Tsonga or Berdych, he can book his plane tickets to Bastaad.
__________________
MTF games Grand Slam titles:

Suicide Tennis - Wimbledon 2014
Fill-In-The-Draw - US Open 2014
Mark Lenders is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2013, 10:22 PM   #74
country flag Mark Lenders
Registered User
 
Mark Lenders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Lisbon, Portugal
Posts: 13,649
Mark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond reputeMark Lenders has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Wimbledon Main Draw Discussions

Quote:
Originally Posted by GSMnadal View Post
Thought about it, but this tournament is all about the big 4. I saw Ferrer as a real threat to do some damage at RG (definitely better than Murray and better than Federer as long as they wouldn't meet) and he justified my thinking by reaching the final.

On grass, the big 4 will be too much. Jo can beat Federer, I would expect him to, but not more than that.
He can beat Nadal on grass too imo, and although Djokovic and Murray are tough matchups for him he always plays them close on grass and could sneak a win at any point. He at least has a far greater chance of taking out top players here than Ferrer did at Roland Garros. In fact if he were to get a similar draw to Ferrer's at RG, he'd actually have a chance to win the whole thing.

You saw Ferrer as a threat to do some damage at RG as in beating anyone ranked above him? I think not, while Tsonga can defo pull it off.
__________________
MTF games Grand Slam titles:

Suicide Tennis - Wimbledon 2014
Fill-In-The-Draw - US Open 2014
Mark Lenders is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2013, 10:22 PM   #75
country flag Tiebreak100
Registered User
 
Tiebreak100's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 3,717
Tiebreak100 has a reputation beyond reputeTiebreak100 has a reputation beyond reputeTiebreak100 has a reputation beyond reputeTiebreak100 has a reputation beyond reputeTiebreak100 has a reputation beyond reputeTiebreak100 has a reputation beyond reputeTiebreak100 has a reputation beyond reputeTiebreak100 has a reputation beyond reputeTiebreak100 has a reputation beyond reputeTiebreak100 has a reputation beyond reputeTiebreak100 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Wimbledon Main Draw Discussions

Quote:
Originally Posted by Federer in 2 View Post
He had a set point in the second set tie break. It was 6-5, but Murray was serving, so I wouldn't call it 'should have', but it was indeed tight.
Ferrer was serving for the second set at 5-4.
Tiebreak100 is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


Copyright (C) Verticalscope Inc
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
vBCredits v1.4 Copyright ©2007, PixelFX Studios