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Old 06-18-2013, 03:44 AM   #61
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right, because Djokovic's peak hard court level is anywhere near Federer's?
you need to jump on youtube and watch some videos of Federer at US Open 2005-2007
Djokovic has never come close to that level
and no player with very defensive qualities (Nadal, Djokovic, Murray), will ever match such a high level of aggressive tennis on hard courts that the likes of Roger had in his prime
delusional posters on here with either extremely short term memories or extremely short term time period of being tennis fans
Plus Novak relies on having a little more time on his shots especially his forehand, reason for why he can be rushed on the faster paced hard courts of the US Open and Cincinnati for example. That natural defensive game mindset is certainly not conducive to great success at a medium to fast paced hard court. Murray's isn't particularly more aggressive minded than Novak but his greater variety, especially coming into the net and his great hands help on the faster surfaces.
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Old 06-18-2013, 03:54 AM   #62
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It isn't just Federer that's ahead of Novak, you know. I'd put Sampras and Agassi ahead of him too.
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People are assuming every top player today will still stay at top in his 30s
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Lol Kyle, djoker is one win away from tying agassi on the hard courts. Believe Agassi when he said that Novak is a better player in every way. Regarding Pete, he was good on grass, but take away the super fast hard courts and his easy aces, and Djoker exposes him like Milli Vanilli.

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Plus Novak relies on having a little more time on his shots especially his forehand, reason for why he can be rushed on the faster paced hard courts of the US Open and Cincinnati for example. That natural defensive game mindset is certainly not conducive to great success at a medium to fast paced hard court. Murray's isn't particularly more aggressive minded than Novak but his greater variety, especially coming into the net and his great hands help on the faster surfaces.
exactly, he hates being rushed, Djokovic is not a fantastic hard court player if he doesn't have ample amount of time so he can fully set his own pace

a great hard court player like Federer in his prime could hit incredible shots at any place on the court no matter what the speed

what I fear is that the slowing down of hard courts will make it much easier to dominate them and skew records

if somehow Djokovic matched Federer GS wins it would not magically mean he was a better HC player. as you seem to appreciate, is the fact that Roger played with great shotmaking on speedier and slower hard courts in his prime
the top guys are clueless on speeder HC these days, and speaks volumes of why the US Open keeps getting traded around as far as winners
Federer is the best HC player of all time because on different speed courts he had the shotmaking ability and technique to carve beautiful shots from all angles and CONTROL the rallies
the likes of Djokovic just prey on errors and let the opponent dictate play until they miss
Federer and Djokovic are apples and oranges as far as their best hardcourt quality
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Losing a slam final to Murray on hardcourt doesn't do his case any good. That's a stain that isn't going anywhere
Just like the stain of losing a slam final to Djokovic on a grass court
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Lol Kyle, djoker is one win away from tying agassi on the hard courts. Believe Agassi when he said that Novak is a better player in every way. Regarding Pete, he was good on grass, but take away the super fast hard courts and his easy aces, and Djoker exposes him like Milli Vanilli.

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Agassi was the greatest ball-striker ever and Novak would struggle mightily against him.

If you aren't a fanboy, you know that Sampras and Agassi are ahead of Novak right now in the HC food chain. Agassi won 16 Masters titles on HC.
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a great hard court player like Federer in his prime could hit incredible shots at any place on the court no matter what the speed
Differernt players, different era, different quality = apples and oranges.

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what I fear is that the slowing down of hard courts will make it much easier to dominate them and skew records
What I fear is that players who set records on super fast courts get a free pass for underdeveloped parts of their game and general athleticism.

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if somehow Djokovic matched Federer GS wins it would not magically mean he was a better HC player.
It wouldn't mean he was worse either. For my taste though, it would mean he was better. Lets allow for different aesthetic tastes.

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the top guys are clueless on speeder HC these days, and speaks volumes of why the US Open keeps getting traded around as far as winners
Fans got tired of points which ended in 3 shots or less. Don't blame the current generation for not having enough practice time on faster courts when they've been almost phased out.


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Federer is the best HC player of all time because on different speed courts he had the shotmaking ability and technique to carve beautiful shots from all angles and CONTROL the rallies
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the likes of Djokovic just prey on errors and let the opponent dictate play until they miss
His variety is evident in different matches, but less so in a match itself. Refer to his style against Ferrer at the AO this year. Unlike Fed who is stubbornly obsessed with aesthetics, Novak does what it takes to win; if that means a war of attrition against players like Murray and Nadal who chase EVERYTHING down, then so be it! He shanks a lot less then Fed in those situations, and it would be the same if Fed was now in his so called prime, playing on these courts.
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If Federer was in his prime playing on these hardcourts it would be very hard for Djokovic to win, or for anyone for that matter.
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Losing a slam final to Murray on hardcourt doesn't do his case any good. That's a stain that isn't going anywhere
Notice he qualifies his statement as losing in a “final,” as if Clay King Nadal losing to Soderling in the fourth round is a lesser “stain” on his record. In fact I think it’s worse to lose in an earlier round no? Rafa fans and their logic!
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If Federer was in his prime playing on these hardcourts it would be very hard for Djokovic to win, or for anyone for that matter.
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No.

He'll stop winning AO as soon as Tomic gets his shit together. This could come as early as next year, too.

USO? Golden Boy is unbeatable there. Djokovic might as well skip the tournament all together.
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The answer is obviously yes. Yes, he could. Will he? Who knows I'd give him 35% chances atm
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Just like the stain of losing a slam final to Djokovic on a grass court

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