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Old 06-17-2013, 10:09 PM   #46
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Old 06-17-2013, 10:10 PM   #47
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Brooklyn.

Why are we naming American cities?
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I agree, he got to take it this year. He fell short in completing slams, so he shouldn't do the same with masters in the same year...
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Oh yeah, it's a borough.

Fine, St. Louis.
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Brooklyn isn't a US city
Are you kidding? There are a lot of Brooklyn's in the US:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookl..._United_States
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Old 06-17-2013, 11:40 PM   #52
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The US Open will always be a difficult event for Novak to win. Murray is technically much more suited to the faster courts in New York and Djokovic is more likely to get upset there in NY although it has to be said that all of his hardcourt slam upsets have literally been all at the AO and not at the USO where aside from last year's event he has only lost to Federer. Federer has shown a good variety of hardcourt wins whereas Novak has yet to really take control of the faster hardcourt events. Either way, still too early, but since 2011 it has been pretty evident that his overall game is in a bit of a slip at least at the non-slam events. Will he get back to a 2011 like dominance? I doubt it, he is already 26. At the same time, I'm not exactly sure if he is purposely trying to save himself for the slams, but we'll see.
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Maybe he could surpass Federer if slams were all that counted but they don't and Federer owns pretty much every notable record on hardcourts.

He has:

- the most WTF titles
- the most hardcourt titles overall
- the longest win streak on hardcourts
- the most hardcourt masters 1000 titles
- the highest career win percentage on hardcourts

That in addition to his 9 slams is pretty much insurmountable for Djokovic in my view.


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For me, he already is...
embarrassing

he's not even close at the moment, but obviously if he got over 9 hard court slams he'd have a strong argument

as others have mentioned though, the US Open is too weak of a resume right now, 1-3 in finals is pretty awful there and if anything it's an indication that it's not THAT favorable of a hard court surface for him so I would be surprised if he somehow won a handful of titles post 26 there

despite what people say about tennis becoming an older mans game today (haha) a players peak is generally early 20s ending at mid 20s

besides maybe Ferrer, this never seems to have exceptions
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Old 06-18-2013, 03:27 AM   #55
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Maybe. He should've won one or two more USOs by now though. It will be hard.

But he can definitely go down as the greatest AO player of all time which is already impressive.
should have?
why should he have?
should Federer, Nadal, and Murray have 'given' him the titles in the past?

you win or lose
Djokovic wasn't good enough in the seasons he failed to win the US Open, and its not rocket science, clearly medium pace hard court is a bit less favorable to him than slow Australian Open decoturf haha
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No... one reason only: the loss at the US Open final is a disqualifier. It is one thing to lose to a superior player but to lose to a mental midget and in that fashion ... Nole as far as his level goes is the best hard court player of all time. But his stats don't show it. His mental lapses are going to keep him from achieving that. It's a shame. He is a treasure for tennis.
right, because Djokovic's peak hard court level is anywhere near Federer's?
you need to jump on youtube and watch some videos of Federer at US Open 2005-2007
Djokovic has never come close to that level
and no player with very defensive qualities (Nadal, Djokovic, Murray), will ever match such a high level of aggressive tennis on hard courts that the likes of Roger had in his prime
delusional posters on here with either extremely short term memories or extremely short term time period of being tennis fans
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Oh yeah, it's a borough.

Fine, St. Louis.
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I'm also curious who do you see as potential USO winners from now on seeing how Nadal will be 28, Andy and Novak 27 next year...
Nadal, Murray, and Djokovic will all decline drastically at some point

whether it's 27 or 30, it will happen

do not live in delusions, it happens to every champion

and to a comment on the last page by Hipolymer, even if Djokovic somehow 'wills' himself to another 5 or whatever hard court GS's, as others have frequently mentioned in this thread, Roger destroys all hard court records from winning percentage to overall title to World Tour Finals

too much of a disparity between him and anyone now. maybe if Djokovic could keep his hard court stats up to this age and start back over at 18 he would have a chance...
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No... one reason only: the loss at the US Open final is a disqualifier. It is one thing to lose to a superior player but to lose to a mental midget and in that fashion ... Nole as far as his level goes is the best hard court player of all time. But his stats don't show it. His mental lapses are going to keep him from achieving that. It's a shame. He is a treasure for tennis.
Are you mad?!?

How soon do we forget how dominant prime Federer was on hard? A defensive minded player like Djoker as the best hard court player of all time? I understand you may like the guy, but come on, at their absolute best, Djoker is not match for Federer here.

Aren't you a Fed fan? Did you not see how dominant he was on hard back in his prime?
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Steamrolling Ducky, Rafa, then Wahger in quick succession at the Canadian Open, as an obscure lanky kid, made him the greatest for me right away!!

AO and USO titles are just gravy nothing more

Also as well, numbers only tell part of the story. We must take into account general chutzpah as well.
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