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Old 06-03-2013, 01:21 AM   #1
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Feedback for this rule:

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Old 06-03-2013, 08:50 AM   #2
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Probably a sensible rule.
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Probably only reasonable new rule but again terms which you mentioned can be used on different ways so it should be tolerated in some cases imo

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Can "Nadal forum" term be used in funny context ?

Example

Someone opens a thread " Has somebody won 3 consecutive matches is a row by retirement? "

and you post " Nadal forum, please "
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Feedback? How are we supposed to give feedback if the thread is closed?
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Probably a sensible rule.
it may be sensible though.
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Old 06-03-2013, 10:42 AM   #5
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Feedback? How are we supposed to give feedback if the thread is closed?
You have to give us your feedback in this thread, obviously
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May I ask what brought about this change? I'm not saying I think it's a bad idea, I'm just wondering why it has been implemented.
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Part 3 is a problem because it's more of a power check for mods to have people be aware what they delete than it is any sort of backseat moderating for users

Whole thing is unnecessary really
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I don't think this is a good idea and I'm against this new rule.


1) Replying to a post to say that you reported it


Why should I not be allowed to say that to someone? I think I should be allowed to and that poster who gets reported can know when I report him. Besides, I made the experience (not only/necessarily on this forum) that that when a poster trolls around and harresses me, telling him that I will report or already reported him, then that poster will think twice if he continues with that harressing. It may not be 100% correct but it is an effective way and reduces the trolling and harressing on the forum.


2) Elimination of posts like 'Nadal forum' when a poster isn't interested in a thread.


When it is true and the respective thread belongs into the Nadal forum, then the poster has the right to state the obvious! And the poster who (wrongly) started the thread can also know that.


3) Posts that say 'my post was deleted?' or 'who deleted my post?' - posts along those lines.


I remember a few days ago a poster was asking "why was my post deleted" and then another poster told him that that post was posted in a similar result thread and the two threads were simply not merged yet. Should that poster who asked the question be infracted? Obviously not!


4) Posts saying that another poster should be banned.


Again, it's the right of a poster to say that a poster should get dinged for obviously trollish and/or offensive behaviour. It should not be "infractible" to post an opinion about another poster!
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1) Replying to a post to say that you reported it
I think Matt01 made some good points on this (and the others), though I wouldn't really care/could live without it. Not sure why it bothers you guys (mods).

2) Elimination of posts like 'Nadal forum' when a poster isn't interested in a thread.
Again, why do you care? These mostly happen in GM threads that are rarely in danger of going over 5,000 posts in one thread. I mean, do empty, useless posts cost Verticalscope something?

3) Posts that say 'my post was deleted?' or 'who deleted my post?' - posts along those lines.
See above seriously, who cares?

4) Posts saying that another poster should be banned.
This is just a way of saying you don't like that poster or they don't contribute anything valuable or they are just plain yucky and mean. It's like saying "You should be sho..." ooops, can't say that either. Are we allowed to say someone should be slapped? probably not.

Why do we need these new rules?
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1) Replying to a post to say that you reported it
I think Matt01 made some good points on this (and the others), though I wouldn't really care/could live without it. Not sure why it bothers you guys (mods).

2) Elimination of posts like 'Nadal forum' when a poster isn't interested in a thread.
Again, why do you care? These mostly happen in GM threads that are rarely in danger of going over 5,000 posts in one thread. I mean, do empty, useless posts cost Verticalscope something?

3) Posts that say 'my post was deleted?' or 'who deleted my post?' - posts along those lines.
See above seriously, who cares?

4) Posts saying that another poster should be banned.
This is just a way of saying you don't like that poster or they don't contribute anything valuable or they are just plain yucky and mean. It's like saying "You should be sho..." ooops, can't say that either. Are we allowed to say someone should be slapped? probably not.

Why do we need these new rules?
I'd like to know too
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:51 PM   #11
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Why do we need these new rules?
These aren't new rules, its always fallen under baiting, but instead of randomly enforcing it more tightly, we thought it'd be fair to give everyone fair warning. These types of posts have been deleted regularly for years.

We are tired of the instigators getting away with no punishment. Countless times users like Corey Feldman were baited and when they responded, only a user like Corey Feldman would get punished and the baiter would not.

Each of these cases are responses that are trying to anger the original poster, Matt01 did a great job of explaining how he uses them to try to anger or annoy the original poster.

This change in enforcement does not affect very many users, we just think its fair for transparency to announce that this is happening so there are less surprises.

I was asked to post this:

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Was about to post this when you closed the thread. Thought it might be useful:


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I don't think this is a good idea and I'm against this new rule.
1) Replying to a post to say that you reported it
Why should I not be allowed to say that to someone? I think I should be allowed to and that poster who gets reported can know when I report him. Besides, I made the experience (not only/necessarily on this forum) that that when a poster trolls around and harresses me, telling him that I will report or already reported him, then that poster will think twice if he continues with that harressing. It may not be 100% correct but it is an effective way and reduces the trolling and harressing on the forum.
And why can't you just PM the poster and tell him/her that the post was reported? Why would the thread be clogged with more useless posts?

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2) Elimination of posts like 'Nadal forum' when a poster isn't interested in a thread.
When it is true and the respective thread belongs into the Nadal forum, then the poster has the right to state the obvious! And the poster who (wrongly) started the thread can also know that.
Again, clogging a thread with useless information. Stating the obvious is not useful information. One can ignore the fact that a thread belongs to another section, let Moderators handle the obvious, and contribute to the thread with useful information.

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3) Posts that say 'my post was deleted?' or 'who deleted my post?' - posts along those lines.
I remember a few days ago a poster was asking "why was my post deleted" and then another poster told him that that post was posted in a similar result thread and the two threads were simply not merged yet. Should that poster who asked the question be infracted? Obviously not!
Posters with such dilemmas should PM the Moderating team.

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4) Posts saying that another poster should be banned.
Again, it's the right of a poster to say that a poster should get dinged for obviously trollish and/or offensive behaviour. It should not be "infractible" to post an opinion about another poster!
And clogging the thread with useless information once again. We should have every thread about a match result looking like this:

1% useful post match impressions
70% obvious facts that every fanbase states
29% posts stating that poster should be banned, a post was reported and so on.


This is all useful IMO, and it should be implemented by the Moderating team. It's not limiting freedom of speech, but rather concentrates useful information is threads for everyone to have a more pleasant read when opening threads.


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These aren't new rules, its always fallen under baiting, but instead of randomly enforcing it more tightly, we thought it'd be fair to give everyone fair warning. These types of posts have been deleted regularly for years.

We are tired of the instigators getting away with no punishment. Countless times users like Corey Feldman were baited and when they responded, only a user like Corey Feldman would get punished and the baiter would not.

Each of these cases are responses that are trying to anger the original poster, Matt01 did a great job of explaining how he uses them to try to anger or annoy the original poster.

This change in enforcement does not affect very many users, we just think its fair for transparency to announce that this is happening so there are less surprises.
The week for feedback has passed. I will be very happy to continue any meaningful conversation about this via PM.

Thanks.
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