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Old 05-11-2013, 03:24 PM   #61
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Not all politicians are evil, and not everyone who tries to please is incapable of making harsh decisions.

I voted for both viruzzz and Mark Lenders, and I think either would do an excellent job, but I am sad to see opinion becoming polarized either for or against.

In these circumstances perhaps it is time to look at a candidate who is not many people's first choice, but could be most people's second or third choice? A candidate who could bring peace to the differing factions before concentrating on doing the actual job? A candidate who actually has more experience of life and a longer time on MTF than the two front-runners put together?

Me.
I actually agree with this. It might not be exactly fair for me or especially Viruzz, who's 7 votes ahead atm and seems set to win, but since a few people made sure the other candidates had no chance at this by actively campaigning I'd be ok with a compromise candidate.

That said, don't take this the wrong way but I'd prefer if it wasn't you, since you're doing the exact same thing that ruined the vote in the first place: public campaigning, thus turning this into even more of a popularity contest.

George (The Bulldog) would be the ideal one for me, after all he was neck in neck with me in 1st place before some people who believe to be smarter than they actually are decided it was a good idea to turn this into a popularity contest.

I mean, ideally we'd have an 'election' without any idiotic interferences, but that's probably not possible on MTF...
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We need to do a second, maybe third round I think
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I just find it ridiculous how people think Lenders would do a bad job, just because of the way he acts in GM. For someone who campaigns against Lenders becoming mod, Federer in 2 didn't seem to mind Lenders appearing in one of his Tennis blogs, lol. It's obvious Lenders would not act the same as a member of staff.
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I just find it ridiculous how people think Lenders would do a bad job, just because of the way he acts in GM. For someone who campaigns against Lenders becoming mod, Federer in 2 didn't seem to mind Lenders appearing in one of his Tennis blogs, lol. It's obvious Lenders would not act the same as a member of staff.
On an unrelated note, I hope the sudden spike in votes for Goldenoldie since he started publicly campaigning earlier today makes Federer in 2 and Deathless Mortal (and perhaps others) realize how absurd their claims that campaigning had no effect on swaying voter's preferences are

Then again, I suppose they could argue that it was just a coincidence that when the campaign for Viruzz started everyone felt like voting for him and now the campaign for Goldenoldie just happened to coincide with a time where those who hadn't voted yet had an intense urge to vote for him, go figure. Although two wrongs don't make a right, I'm almost glad Goldenoldie decided to campaign to prove the influence it has on voting tendencies. He might even surpass me and Viruzz at this pace when just 24 hours ago he was one of the least voted candidates.
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I voted for both viruzzz and Mark Lenders, and I think either would do an excellent job, but I am sad to see opinion becoming polarized either for or against.

In these circumstances perhaps it is time to look at a candidate who is not many people's first choice, but could be most people's second or third choice? A candidate who could bring peace to the differing factions before concentrating on doing the actual job? A candidate who actually has more experience of life and a longer time on MTF than the two front-runners put together?

Me.
That's exactly what we need here. Good point!
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I don't know many on that list but I voted for Mark Lenders and Punky both excellent people so I'm sure they'll do an excellent job.
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I'd just like to point a few things out, some things that I personally believe have made this process (of electing the appeal moderator) unfair.

Firstly, why was the thread left open? Was there any need for discussion to take place? I personally don't think so. All it did was invite certain posters in to try and influence to vote for a certain candidate. I'm in no doubt that this appeal moderator won't be required often, but it's a reasonably serious position, and hence the process of choosing who assumes the position should be serious, itself. The reality is, it hasn't been serious. I really wish we had the data to see when people voted for a particular candidate, because it's quite clear that there was a huge influx of votes for two particular candidates, after some bits if campaigning. Now is that really on?

In my opinion, a better way to have handled this process would have been to invite the candidates to write a short piece on why they should be the appeal moderator. Frivolous applications, yes there were a couple, should have been dismissed without going any further. Then the thread should have been closed, people read what each candidates have to say and consequently vote for the one they value the most, no funny business like we've had.

Responding to Goldenoldie's post about choosing a 'compromise', really? Is that what you would have wanted if you were in the position of either viruzzz or Mark Lenders? I don't think so. There are two ways to sort this out. You either make it fully democratic, whoever gets the most votes wins. Or the moderators and administrators decide. A hybrid between the two, which is what you are more-or-less suggesting, is just not on.

I have no idea whether Federer in 2 meant to cause so much chaos here, but he's ruined this. I highly doubt that viruzzz garnering over forty votes in less than forty-eight hours is at all natural. People should have been left to their own free will to decide.

I personally voted for Mark Lenders, he's the best candidate here. Why did I choose him, you might ask? Well, of course he has more than his fair share of fun in certain threads, but he's one of the most intelligent posters on this forum, he, in my opinion, would have the ability to judge each case that gets brought to him solely on its merits. When the situation calls to be serious, Manuel can be serious, and very helpful. I don't like to criticise other candidates, and this means nothing of my opinion on them as people, I really like all the candidates, and appreciate their posts. However, I feel viruzzz is perhaps a little too 'nice' to do this job. We need someone who can be, when the time and place for it comes, ruthless. I'm very fond of Punky, too, but I have the same reservations about her. You could perhaps say the same thing about me, and I wouldn't disagree with you, *even if, at the same time, I wouldn't want to agree with you!

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I just find it ridiculous how people think Lenders would do a bad job, just because of the way he acts in GM.
Then how do you say that a poster be judged? By how sane they appear when in a conversation via PM? Other than the users who have 10+ posts a day there are very few who know others on this forum on a personal level. And we form a majority of the users on this board. The only way we can really judge a user is by his or her GM posts. In such a vote, we are not judging a users personality, but his or her internet(MTF) personality and the only way this can be done is by assessing the users posts which we have seen.

Moreover, from what I understand, most of all forms of bans or infractions are due to posts in GM. If this is so, a users GM posts should in fact play a big role in determining whether or not they are fit for any form of moderator position.

I think Lenders is quite a good poster other than his Ferrer trolling. But, (no offense to him) I think he is extremely unfit to be any type of moderator. It doesn't matter that his trolling is based on jest and not hate. Somebody who spends a large chunk of his time and posts on this forum to insult one particular player clearly has a very liberal opinion of what should be allowed on this forum. Such a person definitely should not be an appeal moderator. If someone so liberal gets this role, it essentially would mean that almost every appeal would be approved, which defeats the purpose. On the other hand, if they do not act in such a capacity, it would mean having an extremely hypocritical moderator, which IMO is a terrible idea too. The (appeal) moderator can do as he pleases but he won't tolerate such nonsense by others. I agree that Lenders' offenses are "minor" in comparison to things such as racism, wishing injury/death, etc, but even these "minor" offenses play a role in determining a "judge" candidate.

Please understand that this is not campaigning or anti-campaigning. It is just me expressing my opinion.
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I think this has really proven our level of incompetence. I used to be heavily in favor of decisions falling in the poster's hands; however, after seeing the brouhaha caused from doing something as simple as voting on a mod I've changed my mind.

I think at this point in time, it'd be best for mods to make this decision. It should be like that until we as a general paying population can prove that we can vote without incident.

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Good to see viruzzz is seemingly winning comfortably now.
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Lenders would make a horrible mod. He's a horrible poster anyway, so this would amplify it.
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Ok. This post shows why you shouldn't win. You are trying go play both sides of the fence. How are you ever going to make hard decisions? Who are you going to try to please? Because that's what you are doing now. You sound like a freaking politician talking soothing pablum. If you win, others will lose. That's how it is.
This post made me laugh, it's so utterly bad
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Good to see viruzzz is seemingly winning comfortably now.

Lenders would make a horrible mod. He's a horrible poster anyway, so this would amplify it.

This post made me laugh, it's so utterly bad
You clearly don't know Lenders properly then.
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You clearly don't know Lenders properly then.
Hopefully, I'm wrong then, if he does in fact win this. Looks like viruzzz has this though, for the moment.
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viruzzz easily.
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Tell me about it.

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