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Old 04-27-2013, 09:48 PM   #226
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of course no point in arguing with you..........Nadal sucked in MC final that's why he lost today he was in god mode against the known Clay god Raonic whos ground game is 5x better than Novak's........

Clayonic is the real test, Nole was just warm ups
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Old 04-27-2013, 09:50 PM   #227
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Clayonic is the real test, Nole was just warm ups
those serves on clay man are brutal
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Old 04-27-2013, 10:04 PM   #229
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I hate to break it to you but this is not exactly true, it is sort of an illusion that Monte Carlo suits Nadal's game perfectly, in fact I might argue that ROland Garros is preferable
his balls were not getting very great spin at all all of MC week, fact
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I don't think anyone is surprised Milos lost he obviously tried his game plan but it was the poor execution as the commentators said. I think it is really easy for arm chair critics to attack Milos when clay isn't even his favorite surface. Unlike most North American players Milos can play on clay.

Milos had a good week, this is a positive step forward he beat some good clay court players this week. He does need to continue improving on his movement he's never going to be the fastest player. And Nadal did expose Milos movement in this match especially by hitting low balls to him and pushing him to go to the net.

There is no shame losing to the seven time French Open champion. I do think Milos needs to improve somethings. First, Milos tactics became a bit predictable hit a powerful shot and come to net. The problem is, Nadal is good with his passing shots. I think Milos really needs to improve his backhand. The backhand was a huge hole in this match instead of always running around the forehand to hit shots if he improved the backhand and could hit winners off it will help him in the long run.

The volleys at times were predictable hitting into the open space, instead of trying to hit behind Nadal that's where he can improve. Nadal loves to run, but hitting the ball behind him could of helped.

The game plan was good though coming to the net and it worked when he broke Nadal to go up 2-0. It was the game when Milos had a chance to make it 3-0 where he made some mistakes on some volleys and shots that hurt him. I think Milos last shot was when he lead Nadal 3-2 and it was 30-30 and Nadal got mad about the time warning from the chair umpire. He just needs to be a bit more proficient and consistent on the big points that game was very important.

In the second set Nadal just pulled away and he figured out Milos game plan. I do believe though that this was still a positive week for Milos reaching the semifinals of a 500 ATP clay court event for the second year in the row. He defended his points. Hopefully Milos can learn from this experience. I think he got tired in the second set and playing a lot of tennis from yesterday caught up to him.
good post. I don't know why people here are so anti-raonic. It is not like other upcoming youngsters are beating the top 4 left and right. Raonic has a great serve - anyone who has learnt to play tennis knows that serve is the most difficult shot to master. His height helps sure but it is a great weapon to have. Raonic like other tall dudes need to improve their fitness and movement. I am not too worried about the backhand - which other player insanely goes after backhand like nadal does?

Ranoic played well yesterday to win those two matches and he ran out of steam today ~ at one point he was tired and was taking extra time to catch his breath and got a time violation. Nadal is not the yardstick for Ranoic to modify his game against at this point. How long is Rafa going to be around and nobody hits the ball with that much spin and angle to the backhand anyway?

On a different note I saw one video where the pros were dancing at Monte Carlo and Raonic was hilarious . Never knew the big guy had a personality like that - he is so calm on the courta nd emotionless that I cant even say if he is winning or losing. I thought the video was great.

I don't see raonic turning into an all time great but he will have his share of big match wins (or upsets) in him and a couple shots here and there at bigger titles.
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Everytime Milos says a top player has to adapt to him, he flops against that same player.
He's bound to finish the year as a top ten player but he's far from being a solid contender.
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Rafa's a beyond stupid scheduler. He's gonna reach the finals of all these events and probably get injured again .
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Nadal routined Berdych in Indian Wells, his first HC tournament back in a year.
considering the facts that A: typically Nadal is way better on clay than hard and B: typically Berdych is way better on hard than clay, I think it's safe to assume that Rafael has nothing to fear facing Tomas on clay this season
Del Potro maybe, but anyone has to watch out for him
I saw the Berdych match at Indian Wells, and I know which surfaces the players prefer.

My point was that Nadal's dominance in this match was mostly thanks to matchup problems for Raonic and that it would be a mistake to read too much into this match regarding how Nadal will perform against Djokovic as you did. This match says that Nadal should have no problem with big guys with a serve and power forehands on clay, not much else. If you already knew that, fine. For me, I take every new matchup on a different surface as a test for Nadal this year. I'm not going to base my expectations for him on previous years' form, or even matches from earlier in the year on a different surface.

Beating a big guy is generally straightforward for Nadal, but clay requires more stamina from Nadal and it gives his opponents more time to set up their shots. This might have caused a poor form Nadal problems, but it obviously didn't, and I take that as a good sign going forward in the clay season against other big guys.

All I take from this regarding a potential Djokovic-Nadal rematch is that Nadal can execute a gameplan and maintain his focus for two complete sets, two things he didn't do against the Serb in Monte Carlo. That's a good sign for him, but the gameplan he'll need to execute against Djokovic is exceptionally demanding whereas today's was fairly straightforward for someone of Nadal's abilities.
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This is not unexpected.

I think he got some good solid preparation for the following clay court tournaments here, anyway.

On a side note, why is Mohamed Lahyani always the umpire whenever he plays Fedal. Is there some kind of conspiracy?
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This is not unexpected.

I think he got some good solid preparation for the following clay court tournaments here, anyway.

On a side note, why is Mohamed Lahyani always the umpire whenever he plays Fedal. Is there some kind of conspiracy?
What is Mohamed Lahyani's H2H against Fedal? Never knew he played tennis too
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God can we stop calling Raonic a kid? He's 22 years old
so true, some even call Cilic a newcomer, and he is 1 year younger than Murray. Tomic is the only "kid" of tennis and he is playing on the ATP world tour for 2 years already.
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Apparently Raonic is a kid because this is his second full year on tour. The fact he wasn't able to get onto the tour at a younger age because he wasn't good enough unlike most players seems to be irrelevant to Raonic fans.
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not even close, did you watch this match or the Monte Carlo final? Nadal was abysmal in the MC final, his UE count insane. that said Novak had a lights out first set in that match. really though in this match vs. Raonic he played insanely better than MC, I have heard that he's focusing to improve his fitness in the coming weeks and is getting more and more serious probably because his loss in MC came as a shock
I understand saying Djokovic is now a big threat on clay but to say something like Nadal played as well in Monte Carlo as he did today? that is purely delusional. Nadal is playing much better now and that's not surprising, he typically, whether it be tournament or season, takes a bit to get going
Europe clay is a lot different than SA after all
Oh God,you actually watch tennis or what?Ofc Rafa had many UE against Nole,but that's mainly becouse of NOVAK,not Rafa,geez and same thing goes for djoker too.Rafa takes high risks when playing him,hitting very deep.You can't even compare Novak's game and Raonic's.
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