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Old 10-23-2013, 04:01 PM   #511
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And I didn't say some infractions are not fined
Yes, you did it here: If you would be infracted for every time you break any rules, I fear our banned list would be too long

which obviusly means that some rules infractions are not fined.
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I don't even know where you guessed it.
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I said two different post where the rules was broken aren't always on the same level. Maybe one of them is that fine, we won't infract and the another one is 1000 times worse.
You came up with the For two same infraction from two different poster they will get the same only after my questioning, now you seem to talk about two posts from the same user? or if it's not the case that means that although the gravity of the rules violations differs, one poster could get away with it because another poster infraction has broken the rules to a higher extent which again means there's some form of discrimination as an infraction is an infraction regardless of the the posts surrounding the infractions.

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That's why there are deleted posts WITHOUT infraction.
I'm sorry but this doesn't explain anything really, some passages are totally obscure;
Maybe one of them is that fine

what does that even means?

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You saw more on my post than I actually wanted to tell
what exactly more would I have been seeing in your post that differs from your intended meaning?

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Old 10-23-2013, 04:08 PM   #512
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Sonja is saying that every infraction is counted towards a ban, but every rule break is not given an infraction.
The term 'infraction' here is the same as a red card and is NOT synonymous to a rule break. For some rule breaks, the posts are simply deleted instead of giving an infraction.
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Yes, you did it here: If you would be infracted for every time you break any rules, I fear our banned list would be too long

which obviusly means that some rules infractions are not fined.

see above.


You came up with the For two same infraction from two different poster they will get the same only after my questioning, now you seem to talk about two posts from the same user? or if it's not the case that means that although the gravity of the rules violations differs, one poster could get away with it because another poster infraction has broken the rules to a higher extent which again means there's some form of discrimination as an infraction is an infraction regardless of the the posts surrounding the infractions.


I'm sorry but this doesn't explain anything really, some passages are totally obscure;
Maybe one of them is that fine

what does that even means?
Now I'm sure you completely lost me. From the begin. You said posts was deleted, as they wasn't infracted, they didn't break any rules.
Then I meant not every posts are infracted because few of posts are fine compared to infracted posts. That was all I wanted to say. And if we infract those posts too what we only delete, we would give very very lot of infractions but we aren't that fascist.
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Sonja is saying that every infraction is counted towards a ban, but every rule break is not given an infraction.
The term 'infraction' here is the same as a red card and is NOT synonymous to a rule break. For some rule breaks, the posts the simply deleted instead of giving an infraction.
Thank you, now I see some people understand what I try to tell
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Sonja is saying that every infraction is counted towards a ban, but every rule break is not given an infraction.
The term 'infraction' here is the same as a red card and is NOT synonymous to a rule break. For some rule breaks, the posts are simply deleted instead of giving an infraction.
that's exactly what I'm criticizing, if not every rules break is given an infraction it means mods can arbitrarily decide which posts get a red and which not (providing both are against the rules).
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And if we infract those posts too what we only delete, we would give very very lot of infractions but we aren't that fascist.
I think you really don't know what to infract means to begin with and it's sometimes difficult to follow your posts given your english.
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that's exactly what I'm criticizing, if not every rules break is given an infraction it means mods can arbitrarily decide which posts get a red and which not (providing both are against the rules).
It isn't that easy. If every posts was infracted what was deleted, we would have at least 50 more permabanned users. It's not what we want to reach.


MTF posters will always complain. Now you think that's not fair on this way. Otherwise you would complain we are robotic. And posters rightfully would ask why I got infraction for this? You know there are 'mild' things. Not fair to give infraction for them too and do the same way with something which is 1000 times worse. Maybe if you would try to look on this way.


But.. it's not the thing I should talk to you anyway. It was my last reply.
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that's exactly what I'm criticizing, if not every rules break is given an infraction it means mods can arbitrarily decide which posts get a red and which not (providing both are against the rules).
Compare it to football. Some rule breakings just give a free kick. Others give a yellow card. Again others give a red card. Removing posts without infractions is equivalent to the free kick. I'm sure you don't feel every football player should get a yellow card for each free kick.
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Compare it to football. Some rule breakings just give a free kick. Others give a yellow card. Again others give a red card. Removing posts without infractions is equivalent to the free kick. I'm sure you don't feel every football player should get a yellow card for each free kick.

Here we are talking about posts which didn't break any rules but got removed.
There have certainly been posts that infringed the rules and got deleted without reds or yellow cards had been given out for said rules infringements.
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Compare it to football. Some rule breakings just give a free kick. Others give a yellow card. Again others give a red card. Removing posts without infractions is equivalent to the free kick. I'm sure you don't feel every football player should get a yellow card for each free kick.

Here we are talking about posts which didn't break any rules but got removed.
There have certainly been posts that infringed the rules and got deleted without reds or yellow cards had been given out for said rules infringements.
Think what you want. But I tell you it would be a hard maneuver as we are enough as admins/supermods/mods. Especially for a reported post.
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Think what you want. But I tell you it would be a hard maneuver as we are enough as admins/supermods/mods. Especially for a reported post.


How can a deleted post be reported? I'm talking about a mod's decision taken before deleting the post, it's not my 'thinking' it's what you have just been saying for two pages that some rules breaking posts gets deleted and not considered worth a yellow or red.

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I thought you mean we show favor for few posters.

But seriously, why does it matter if we do it on post-base and not poster-base? Anyway..
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But seriously, why does it matter if we do it on post-base and not poster-base? Anyway..
Do what?
Also may I ask why I get replies to some of my posts in here via reps from you? Don't you have a limit for that like other users?
I really don't like this behind the scenes attacks/replies.
For the sake of precision to infract doesn't mean to fine/to give an infraction, it's quite the opposite.
You can have a look here http://www.thefreedictionary.com/infract

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Do what?
Also may I ask why I get replies to some of my posts in here via reps from you? Don't you have a limit for that like other users?
I really don't like this behind the scenes attacks/replies.
For the sake of precision to infract doesn't mean to fine/to give an infraction, it's quite the opposite.
You can have a look here http://www.thefreedictionary.com/infract
I'm an admin so I have unlimited reps. On the first reply I thought you went away as you haven't post since a while.

Here you can report the second if you felt attacked: http://www.menstennisforums.com/member.php?u=38295
But I didn't mean to and it wasn't at all.

And I could tell you what I don't like but no, I don't want to start it now.

I think I know what 'infract' mean but thanks for caring anyway. If we talk about that, on the GM there are million words which has nothing to do with original meaning.


Your first part of post "do what". you ask that like we didn't even speak about anything. MAYBE if you lost.. moderating on posts.
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if by moderating on posts you mean arbitrarly choosing which posts gets deleted without fines been given and which are deleted with fines given out (providing both contain rules infringements) that's the same as favoring some users over others cause if a user is not given a fine matching his infractions inevitably another used is damaged.
it's like saying that not punishing a bank robber for his crime won't damage other people cause it's a decision only concerning said perpetrator rather than the entire community.

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