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Old 04-09-2013, 10:52 AM   #91
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Some of the strongest pro-Capitalist views come out of people who were forced to live under Communism until the revolutions across Europe in the late 1980s that ultimately led to the fall of the USSR.

That's understandable - I don't think we who didn't go through that can quite understand how despicable Communism was as lived by the ordinary person, how restrictive, how crushing, how grim. It's no wonder Capitalism is seen as a great thing, embodying freedom, choice, self-reliance and less Government.

What's missing from that is the fact that Capitalism no more has all the answers for how society should live and organise itself than Communism did. It might be a better system, but it still has great flaws and we've seen since 2007/8 in close-up just how bad some of those flaws are.
Capitalism itself doesn't solve all the problems but it gives people a chance to come up with better solutions. Someone succeeds in it, someone doesn't. It's natural -- people are unequal, inequality is what moves mankind forward. Thatcher knew it.
Unfortunately modern day Europe is not capitalistic at all, it's poisoned with socialism (has been for quite a while) and infected with millions of social parasites. Moreover, European bureaucracy deliberately multiplies the number of freeloaders who, in turn, happily vote for muppets like Hollande. Vicious circle that none of today's political dwarfs is able or willing to break. Thatcher did it 30 years ago.
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Some of the strongest pro-Capitalist views come out of people who were forced to live under Communism until the revolutions across Europe in the late 1980s that ultimately led to the fall of the USSR.

That's understandable - I don't think we who didn't go through that can quite understand how despicable Communism was as lived by the ordinary person, how restrictive, how crushing, how grim. It's no wonder Capitalism is seen as a great thing, embodying freedom, choice, self-reliance and less Government.

What's missing from that is the fact that Capitalism no more has all the answers for how society should live and organise itself than Communism did. It might be a better system, but it still has great flaws and we've seen since 2007/8 in close-up just how bad some of those flaws are.
Well, to be fair, Capitalism is such a misunderstood term. Using it here as a system with "no answers" is kind of misleading in my opinion.

Capitalism, in the original meaning of the term, simply promotes the fact that people can own capital goods (and other things, such as natural resources). The degree of government involvement and social welfare (and many other factors) is different in different types of capitalist systems but I'd say that a capitalist system surely is the way forward, since it speeds up scientific discovery and technological development (through incentives) more than socialism.
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That's understandable - I don't think we who didn't go through that can quite understand how despicable Communism was as lived by the ordinary person, how restrictive, how crushing, how grim. It's no wonder Capitalism is seen as a great thing, embodying freedom, choice, self-reliance and less Government.
I think you would be surprised to learn how many people all around the world would prefer security to liberty. Sad but true.

I'm certainly not one of them, but many if not most people are scared of taking responsibility for their lives. The thing most people from communist countries desired was not personal liberty as much as what they perceived as more money and higher living standard, which was basically again about security, not liberty.

That's probably one of the reasons why, for example, we have Putin today in Russia. He is by no means an usurper, he is truly a popular populist leader.

Many people really need help, I think we as human kind should show much more solidarity and unity. I try to help help when I can without waiting for the government to do something.

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People who blame Thatcher for everything seem to block out the fact that she was elected three times. A fairly sure indication that she was carrying out the will of the people. So why not just heap your scorn on the electorate? She was serving the nation.
The left vote was hugely split between Labour and the Liberal/SDP alliance.

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Some of the strongest pro-Capitalist views come out of people who were forced to live under Communism until the revolutions across Europe in the late 1980s that ultimately led to the fall of the USSR.

That's understandable - I don't think we who didn't go through that can quite understand how despicable Communism was as lived by the ordinary person, how restrictive, how crushing, how grim. It's no wonder Capitalism is seen as a great thing, embodying freedom, choice, self-reliance and less Government.

What's missing from that is the fact that Capitalism no more has all the answers for how society should live and organise itself than Communism did. It might be a better system, but it still has great flaws and we've seen since 2007/8 in close-up just how bad some of those flaws are.
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Capitalism itself doesn't solve all the problems but it gives people a chance to come up with better solutions. Someone succeeds in it, someone doesn't. It's natural -- people are unequal, inequality is what moves mankind forward. Thatcher knew it.
Unfortunately modern day Europe is not capitalistic at all, it's poisoned with socialism (has been for quite a while) and infected with millions of social parasites. Moreover, European bureaucracy deliberately multiplies the number of freeloaders who, in turn, happily vote for muppets like Hollande. Vicious circle that none of today's political dwarfs is able or willing to break. Thatcher did it 30 years ago.
Socialism is a great thing.

Communism is not, I agree. You're basically saying they are both the same thing.

The problem with conservatives is that they have this blinkered view that everyone in the left takes and never gives which is BS.

Saying inequality is a good thing is like saying the disabled are inferior to the able-bodied.
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Saying inequality is a good thing is like saying the disabled are inferior to the able-bodied.
What's so bad about income inequality? I've always had a hard time understanding that. The possibility for big payoffs is what motivates almost all human ventures.

Poverty and unemployement, those are of course undesirable outcomes but they are not synonymous with income inequality, which is of course not equal to equal rights either.
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I have no problem with income inequality as long as there's a safety net for those at the very bottom of that income pile that ensures them a reasonable quality of health and life.

That seems to me to be where me and the right parts company - most of them seem to think that the law of the jungle should be allowed to operate to its logical conclusion, whatever the human consequences, which they will turn a blind eye to.
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I have no problem with income inequality as long as there's a safety net for those at the very bottom of that income pile that ensures them a reasonable quality of health and life.

That seems to me to be where me and the right parts company - most of them seem to think that the law of the jungle should be allowed to operate to its logical conclusion, whatever the human consequences, which they will turn a blind eye to.
Well I certainly don't think like that . Maybe it's the Nordic influence. Though on the other hand there are also people who abuse the system, at least in here. Staying unemployed simply because it's more convenient to get welfare than earn money from a job. Of course I hope that they are in the minority. But that isn't acceptable either...

My beef with government comes mainly from the fact that it's a massive money spending machine and I hope that it would focus on the core issues: welfare, education, security and law to name a few. Dabbling in many business affairs and having a huge organization almost always leads to unnecessary costs and therefore higher taxes... But that's Finnish politics maybe . Don't have a big view on British politics.
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I have no problem with income inequality as long as there's a safety net for those at the very bottom of that income pile that ensures them a reasonable quality of health and life.

That seems to me to be where me and the right parts company - most of them seem to think that the law of the jungle should be allowed to operate to its logical conclusion, whatever the human consequences, which they will turn a blind eye to.
i agree, i also think some Salaries should have limitation, i dont think theres anyone in this world that should earn 100 million a year, no one, i think its 100 greed and Revolting and i have nooooooooooo idea how some ppl sleep at night


i think the banks should be the first to make the change, they should return to their original position, mediate between those who have money and those who need it while They cover their operating costs with Security factor in case of Bankrupt borrowers.


why the CEO of my bank needs to earn more then the President of the United States???????


im saying this as a banker
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why the CEO of my bank needs to earn more then the President of the United States???????
Who pays the CEO of your bank (assuming it is a private bank and no bailouts -direct or indirect - were involved)? Who pays Obama?
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Who pays the CEO of your bank (assuming it is a private bank and no bailouts -direct or indirect - were involved)? Who pays Obama?
the shareholders = the Public


to obama its the same, the Public


and even if it was a Private Bank (its not) the state has a say in it bc its "to big to fail"
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So it is not a privately owned bank?
This makes your country a socialist one. By definition, I am sorry.
So you are complaining about unfairness in a socialist country. Ok then, I agree with you.



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we have one private bank but the country has the last word in Appointment of important officials

i totally think the country should step up and watch more about the banks bc if one of them will fall the ceo, coo and the rest of the pigs will run with the money while the rest of the deposits will be in a bif problem and the country wont let any single bank to fall so she will save their ass just like in the 80'S using MY AND EVERYONE I KNOWS MONEY

ppl needs to start pay for what is happening in the banks, putb them in jain.

p.s i work in the biggest bank in the country, they are all the same all over the world.
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