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Old 04-16-2013, 07:43 PM   #301
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One war was illegal, one wasn't.

How easy was that?
I've been aware of that for nigh on a decade.
Post 247 - Nadal OUT of the Australian Open (2013) thread.

Is this the first example of illegal activity in world affairs? Switzerland and Nazi gold is all above board of course, possibly they weren't aware of the illegitimate nature of the gold? Benin bronzes given to Britain as a gift?

Young men are killed>Legal/illegal. If this means I'm morally bankrupt, so be it.

Falklands = a mineral & oil bonanza.
Iraq = oil bonanza.
It isn't really difficult to see why Britain fought both wars and I'm pretty sure they fought both without any MPs offspring taking part.
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Old 04-16-2013, 09:14 PM   #302
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Falklands = a mineral & oil bonanza.
Do you think it possible Britain fought the Falklands war because Argentina invaded the islands?

I would be interested to know what mineral bonanza you are imagining.
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Old 04-16-2013, 11:17 PM   #303
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Do you think it possible Britain fought the Falklands war because Argentina invaded the islands?

I would be interested to know what mineral bonanza you are imagining.
Yeah that & all, though when it comes to this crowd who knows. Lease-back was discussed prior to the war.

Potential mineral wealth. Satisfied?

The Falkland Islanders director of mineral resources & Britain would of course broadcast the FIs' mineral wealth for the world to hear. Speaking in 2004, David Hudd, Chairman of Falkland Islands Holdings said, 'The Falkland Islands remains practically unexplored for minerals.' Minerals have been discovered, though because the FIs are isolated, they aren't considered economically viable.
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Old 04-18-2013, 03:54 PM   #304
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Britain is not an agreeable partner when it comes to the EU. My opinion - agree, disagree, consider it poetry, engrave it...
Maastricht - 11 of 12 countries were in agreement, Britain, played the leper. There are plenty more examples (Thatcher's (in)famous 'No, no, no! The December 2011 UK veto...) to convince me my opinion will remain unchanged. Not directly related to the EU.

You really completely miss the point. All you wish Britain had done is even more radically committing suicide, just like we did on the Continent. Europe's greatness is its division and not its unity.

We want to exit the EU, we want to exit Schengen, we want to exit the Euro and to exit NATO. You seem to wish all that. All those treaties favoured relocation abroad in low cost countries and you approve of all this. You are blaming Thatcher and Major for the only tiny good things that they did. Way to go, mate.


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Iraq & the UN - France and Germany looked like EU partners, Britain not so much.
You're still very far from reality.

Germany has never been opposed to the war in Iraq. They played a double-dealing. German intelligence gave useful information to the US. Some things never changed. Adenauer did the same with De Gaulle.

Chirac and Villepin opposed to the war because they had financial interest but they had to disobey the European treaties to stay out of the war because according to the TFEU, every member state is subordinated to NATO.

ANd you don't even mention Lybia, where the Frogs (who had joined Nato's internal command back) and the Brits worked hand in hand, to destroy the country and assassinate its President in barbarious manner, while Germany and Italy were opposed to it.


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Forgive me I didn't realise I was MTFs researcher and I was the only one able to do a web search.
The social (community) charter was adopted in Strasbourg in 1989 by 11 of 12 member states. Earlier that year in Madrid, Thatcher described it as a 'socialist charter.' The UK vetoed the social charter being included as the social chapter of the Maastricht Treaty thus it became a protocol. Labour signed up the UK in '97 & minor amendments took place. Article 2 of the Amsterdam Treaty is where the social chapter can be found. David Cameron in 2007 pledged that a future Conservative government would pull out of the EU social chapter. Once an 'anchor'...
Describe it with your own words, please. I don't care if Thatcher called it 'socialist'. If she says it, she's right, obviously.

Question is: whatever it is, does it make up for the disaster of article 63? No. And if it's so important to you, than you may simply enforce it in your own country. Why always more Europe? There's no point.

I repeat art. 63 of the TFEU:
Within the framework of the provisions set out in this Chapter, all restrictions on the
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Potential mineral wealth. Satisfied?
Videla sure must've been very interested.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:24 PM   #305
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You really completely miss the point.
All you wish Britain had done is even more radically committing suicide, just like we did on the Continent. Europe's greatness is its division
We want...
You seem to wish all that.
and you approve of all this.
You are blaming Thatcher and Major for the only tiny good things that they did.

You're still very far from reality.
Germany has never been opposed to the war in Iraq.
ANd you don't even mention Lybia

Describe it with your own words, please. I don't care if Thatcher called it 'socialist'.

Question is:
And if it's so important to you, than you may simply enforce it in your own country.
You again?

Sanctimonious on a previous post, now condescending. Get you!
Good idea - European division & the world collectively shits itself. 2/2 so far, if Europeans start a third, we'll either be banished somewhere or flattened.
I haven't given my opinion or my wishes for GB or any of the European issues you've listed. Never stated I approved of the social chapter or the Amsterdam Treaty in general. I also didn't blame former Tory PMs regarding Europe. I stated Britain isn't backwards in coming forwards when opting out. I commented about Britons knowing little about the EU. Which granted is a generalisation but I'm not budging.
As for the numberous 'we wants.' What the feck can I do?

That opinion will be filed under - I couldn't give a shit.
Gerhard Schroder - 'In the crises involving terrorism, Iraq and North Korea, our peoples can count on the governments of Germany and France to join forces to preserve peace, avoid war and ensure people's security.'
Why the need to mention Libya? Four examples not enough?

I'm not the help. Thatcher's quote was given as background information to show there was controversy from inception. You wanted to know what the social chapter consisted of. Once again I never stated it was important to me. I would disagree with a possible future Tory pull out. Your ECSC & EEC founding country agreed to it long before GB.
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Old 04-21-2013, 05:11 PM   #306
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I understand it's impossible to discuss with you (I'm getting dizzy).

You never talk in concrete terms, only abstract labels ("social", "socialism", etc.) and you constantly say one thing and it's opposite, we do not know what your opinion on anything is. You'd be a great politician, I guess.


However, for the readers, these articles are proof that Schröder's administration was pro-War, despite the Chancellor's public statements/demagogy:

http://www.dw.de/germany-delivered-i...port/a-3872854
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/27/po...nted=all&_r=1&


Even the NY Times knows it, lol.
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Old 04-21-2013, 06:31 PM   #307
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we do not know what your opinion on anything is. You'd be a great politician, I guess.
An opinion from #305 - 'I would disagree with a possible future Tory pull out.' Post 120 alone contains seven personal opinions.
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yeah can't say I shed a tear unlike Mr 'I don't have a clue' Camoron.
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Is that why they elected her THREE times? To get her head? In a democracy it is votes that count, not your imagined opinion.s
so what???

in many countrys people votes stupid and bad people for rule the country , like venezuela and many others.

I wish that old bitch go first to the heaven for meet general belgrano`s people and after that burns in hell.
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so what???

in many countrys people votes stupid and bad people for rule the country , like venezuela and many others.
I would never equate British electoral methods with Venezuelan electoral methods.
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I would never equate British electoral methods with Venezuelan electoral methods.
Both allow the public to cast a vote for their preferred candidate.

No difference.
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Both allow the public to cast a vote for their preferred candidate.

No difference.
The difference is that in Britain the ruling party does not get to take control of government media for its campaign.

And then the small details. If a candidate appeared in Britain in a jacket made from the Union Jack and a beret, the electorate would fall about laughing at him.
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The difference is that in Britain the ruling party does not get to take control of government media for its campaign.

And then the small details. If a candidate appeared in Britain in a jacket made from the Union Jack and a beret, the electorate would fall about laughing at him.
Venezuelan TV has only 5-8% of its country's audience and a lot of the media opposed Chavez especially the written press.

It's a shame that right-wing conservatives and the US just cannot accept that Venezuela has many socialists who have benefitted under Chavez' administration and have elected Maduro freely and fairly.
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and this is why neoliberal economics and authoritarism go hand in hand, ladies and gentlemen:



Coincidentally, the type of the ideas that "free media" like the Wall Street Journal wants Egypt to follow
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