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Old 04-12-2013, 09:30 PM   #226
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First female PM, longest serving PM of the century, who led the country for over a decade at great personal risk to herself, and purely because of political differences you're going to snub her funeral.

Classy.
Lord Liverpool was the longest serving PM in the 19th century and the only thing he is famed for is the Peterloo Massacre and generally backwardness.
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I find it quite offensive that the BBC are going to be broadcasting the funeral.
Don't watch. Or do you think the BBC should be reasonable enough to get your stamp of approval on every programme?

Seriously, I would love to know what goes on in the head of someone who writes a sentence like that.
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The people celebrating her death sicken me, along with the people who think she was evil. Bunch of filthy scum.
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The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34250,00.html

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Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/09/WTC.html

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The FBI seized and developed their photos, one of which shows Sivan Kurzberg flicking a cigarette lighter in front of the smouldering ruins in an apparently celebratory gesture.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART..._israelis.html

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[Page 3 reveals that the Israelis had taken 76 photographs; also confirmed on page 80.]
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According to [blank] one of the males appeared to be taking still photographs and video of the other males with the WTC in the background. All of the males appeared to be jovial in that they smiled, hugged one another, and gave "high fives." (See attached photos). As the vehicle later left that area, [blank] recorded the license plate as JRJ-13Y. Later that day when [blank] returned home, she provided the police with the information pertaining to the males.
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Film obtained from the 35mm camera of one of the detainees was later developed and processed by the Newark Division. The photos clearly corroborate [blank's] statements in that the Israelis are visibly happy on nearly all of the photgraphs [sic].
http://www.takeourworldback.com/danc...sfbireport.htm

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The police and FBI field agents became very suspicious when they found maps of the city with certain places highlighted, box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/12/WTC_Mysteries3.html

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The driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers, "We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem."
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=...1#.UWiwhUpy2co

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A search of the van and the vehicle's occupants was conducted at the time of the vehicle stop. The vehicle was also searched by a trained bomb-sniffing dog which yielded a positive result for the presence of explosive traces. Swabs of the vehicle's interior were taken, and those samples were sent to the FBI laboratory for further analysis. Final results are still pending.
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While being removed from the vehicle [blank=Sivan Kurzberg=14 characters] said, "We are Israeli, We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems, the Palestinians are the problem".
http://www.takeourworldback.com/danc...sfbireport.htm

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An employee of Urban Moving Systems, who would not give his name, said the majority of his co-workers are Israelis and were joking on the day of the attacks.

'I was in tears,' the man said. 'These guys were joking and that bothered me. These guys were like, "Now America knows what we go through."
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/sears.html

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The FBI presence at the Urban Moving Systems search site drew the attention of the local media and was later reported on both television and in the local press. A former Urban Moving Systems employee later contacted the Newark Division with information indicating that he had quit his employment with Urban Moving Systems due to high amount of anti-American sentiment present among Urban's employees. The former employee stated that an Israeli employee of Urban had even once remarked, "Give us twenty (20) years and we'll take over your media and destroy your country."
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[Blank=Marmari] stated "Israel now has hope that the world will now understand us. Americans are naive and America is easy to get inside. There are not a lot of checks in America. And now America will be tougher about who gets into their country."
http://www.takeourworldback.com/danc...sfbireport.htm

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the FBI believed Urban Moving may have been providing cover for an Israeli intelligence operation.

After the five men were arrested, the FBI got a warrant and searched Urban Moving's Weehawken, N.J., offices.

The FBI searched Urban Moving's offices for several hours, removing boxes of documents and a dozen computer hard drives. The FBI also questioned Urban Moving's owner. His attorney insists that his client answered all of the FBI's questions. But when FBI agents tried to interview him again a few days later, he was gone.

Three months later 2020's cameras photographed the inside of Urban Moving, and it looked as if the business had been shut down in a big hurry. Cell phones were lying around; office phones were still connected; and the property of dozens of clients remained in the warehouse.

The Forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported the FBI concluded that two of the men were Israeli intelligence operatives.

Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism with the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said federal authorities' interest in the case was heightened when some of the men's names were found in a search of a national intelligence database.

For the FBI, deciphering the truth from the five Israelis proved to be difficult. One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector test for 10 weeks — then failed it, according to his lawyer. Another of his lawyers told us Kurzberg had been reluctant to take the test because he had once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country.
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=...2#.UWiy8kpy2co

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Report: Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel
According to Ma'ariv, Netanyahu said Israel is 'benefiting from attack' as it 'swung American public opinion.'

"We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq," Ma'ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events "swung American public opinion in our favor."
http://www.haaretz.com/news/report-n...srael-1.244044

Remember that the next time you feel like slandering palestinians for allegedly celebrating 9/11.
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Don't watch. Or do you think the BBC should be reasonable enough to get your stamp of approval on every programme?

Seriously, I would love to know what goes on in the head of someone who writes a sentence like that.
Are you aware that I am paying for this broadcast, or at least contributing towards it? Are you aware of how the BBC operates?
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Keep believe in it, the American public know the truth that's all that matters
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Fandango should reach number 1 in the charts not ding dong the witch is dead.
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Are you aware that I am paying for this broadcast, or at least contributing towards it? Are you aware of how the BBC operates?
Are you aware that you are not the only person who watches the BBC? Yes, I am fully aware of how the BBC operates. I grew up watching it, before it went trashy and into the gutter of popular appeal?
Have you thought about the millions of people who will watch the funeral, but will not watch programmes you like? Should they feel offended and whine that they contributed to something they don't have any interest in watching?
If they only broadcast what offends nobody, they would not broadcast anything.
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Keep believe in it, the American public know the truth that's all that matters
Conspiracy theorists will believe any nonsense if it fits what they would like to have happened.
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The people celebrating her death sicken me, along with the people who think she was evil. Bunch of filthy scum.
Whilst I wouldn't word it the way you have - celebrating the death of a democratically elected leader is pretty despicable.
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Ballsiest peacetime leader of the 20th century.
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Are you aware that you are not the only person who watches the BBC? Yes, I am fully aware of how the BBC operates. I grew up watching it, before it went trashy and into the gutter of popular appealZ.
Have you thought about the millions of people who will watch the funeral, but will not watch programmes you like? Should they feel offended and whine that they contributed to something they don't have any interest in watching?
If they only broadcast what offends nobody, they would not broadcast anything.
Are you aware that it's not just me who will not watch it out of disgust?

While I agree the BBC cannot please everyone, the fact that so many - that is people that fund the BBC - are against Thatcher as a person and her funeral as an event, should be taken into account when decisions to broadcast such events are made.
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Whilst I wouldn't word it the way you have - celebrating the death of a democratically elected leader is pretty despicable.
you do realise that hitler was democratically elected, right?
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He introduced the minimum wage, unemployment was at its lowest in around 30 years, repealed Section 28 amongst other things. There will be some that say he was fortunate to enter power during an economic boom- one that Merseyside benefitted greatly from him. I never liked him personally but I won't slate his first few years in charge.
Okay for the minimum wage (automatically indexed?). I guess the 'some' are right though. The French say the same about Jospin at the same period.

Blair signed up the Amsterdam Treaty. He advocated for deregulation and electricity liberalization at the Barcelona Summit 2002. With regards to that he did nothing to repair the damage caused by Thatcher.

And don't forget his aggressive attitude towards Iraq started in 1998 (Desert Fox Operation). Next stop was Kosovo.

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Maastricht Treaty - Signed the treaty after opting out of the social chapter & EMU - what a partner we were/are! European interference in the workplace, the UK was going to stumble with this one, particularly a tory government. Eight years later the UK (labour) signed up to the social chapter if I remember correctly.
Lol and opting out EMU was a bad thing, you think? Come to the continent and see the damage done, dude ! It's the best thing John "Carlisle" Major did.

Social chapter? There's nothing social in the Maastricht Treaty. I'll just to remind you of art. 63 of the TFEU:
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By the way, keeping budget sovereignty is one of the few points in Thatcher's favour (I want my money back !!), just like the Malvinas War (I've changed my mind about this) and keeping QE2 afloat.

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Whilst I wouldn't word it the way you have - celebrating the death of a democratically elected leader is pretty despicable.
I don't believe in democracy².

And Gaddafi's death (I mean barbarious assassination) was celebrated worldwide, despite all the good thing that he's done ...
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you do realise that hitler was democratically elected, right?
Are you seriously comparing Thatcher to Hitler?

Margaret Thatcher was a great leader. She was not afraid to make some necessary changes. Celebrating the death of an old woman, especially one who did no evil, is pointless and just flat out stupid.
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