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Old 04-07-2013, 12:18 PM   #61
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]Since Murray beat Nadal on HC for the first time at the 2008 US Open, it's 5-3 to him on hard, [/b]and in the last match they played on it he absolutely maimed him in the last two sets.

Is he the greater HC player no Nadal has 2 slams and has both AO/USO but his best on HC will beat Nadal's best, unless Nadal has his USO 2010 serve.
I expected better from you, this is just fangirl talk, man Manipulating dates for favorable H2H? Really? Nadal's best > Mandy's on any surface. I am actually looking forward to that match and a barrage of excuses from mugs like Prodigy, Mooza and MuzzahLovah.
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Old 04-07-2013, 12:20 PM   #62
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I expected better from you, this is just fangirl talk, man Manipulating dates for favorable H2H? Really? Nadal's best > Mandy's on any surface. I am actually looking forward to that match and a barrage of excuses from mugs like Prodigy, Mooza and MuzzahLovah.
On natural surfaces I totally agree but on hard it's a different story
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I expected better from you, this is just fangirl talk, man Manipulating dates for favorable H2H? Really? Nadal's best > Mandy's on any surface. I am actually looking forward to that match and a barrage of excuses from mugs like Prodigy, Mooza and MuzzahLovah.
I don't make excuses.

If Nadal beats Murray on Hard Courts, he beats him fair and square.
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Default Re: If Nadal comeback at his best level, who can stop him except Djokovic ?

OP included the answer in the question. except Djokovic...

Clay: Horacio Zeballos or anybody who has nothing to lose and can absorb heavy topspin and hit deep and hard for 2 hours. Juan Martin Del Potro, Tomas Berdych, Lukas Rosol. At RG: best of 5, nobody i'm afraid.
Grass: many top 20 guys in fact, if they believe in their chances. coming to the net is key to victory for most. great serve helps too. best of 3: Tommy Haas, Tomas Berdych, Grigor Dimitrov, Robin Haase, Marcos Baghdatis. Wimbly: Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, Marin Cilic, John Isner.
HC: ballbashers, servebots and tacticians. best of 3: Milos Raonic, Sam Querrey, Kei Nishikori, Gilles Simon. USO: Juan Martin Del Potro, Andy Murray, Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, Marin Cilic, John Isner, Ernest Gulbis.
Indoor: anybody except Richard Gasquet, Nicolas Almagro, David Ferrer and guys he knows too well to lose to.
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At his best and stop him consistently? No one.
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No. He will peak at 27.
We saw what Peak Djokovic was capable of in 2011, when he was a few sets -- and a match against his pigeon -- away from winning the grand slam. Murray's peak will be a platitude by comparison, and I like the guy.
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Old 04-07-2013, 02:09 PM   #68
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I expected better from you, this is just fangirl talk, man Manipulating dates for favorable H2H? Really? Nadal's best > Mandy's on any surface. I am actually looking forward to that match and a barrage of excuses from mugs like Prodigy, Mooza and MuzzahLovah.
How did the last set the played on HC go again?


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OP included the answer in the question. except Djokovic...

Clay: Horacio Zeballos or anybody who has nothing to lose and can absorb heavy topspin and hit deep and hard for 2 hours. Juan Martin Del Potro, Tomas Berdych, Lukas Rosol. At RG: best of 5, nobody i'm afraid.
Grass: many top 20 guys in fact, if they believe in their chances. coming to the net is key to victory for most. great serve helps too. best of 3: Tommy Haas, Tomas Berdych, Grigor Dimitrov, Robin Haase, Marcos Baghdatis. Wimbly: Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, Marin Cilic, John Isner.
HC: ballbashers, servebots and tacticians. best of 3: Milos Raonic, Sam Querrey, Kei Nishikori, Gilles Simon. USO: Juan Martin Del Potro, Andy Murray, Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, Marin Cilic, John Isner, Ernest Gulbis.
Indoor: anybody except Richard Gasquet, Nicolas Almagro, David Ferrer and guys he knows too well to lose to.
Huh? You think Tsonga, Cilic and Isner can beat him at Wimbledon but not Murray?
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RG- Only a ballbasher on his career day and Nadal injured.
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Murray is baffling to me. He wins US Open, and I thought he could win AO too. He was not close there after the first 2nd set. I am not a fan of Rafa but he will be hard to beat if he does not get injured and keeps crushing people like he did in his last two tournaments. As far as Nole, after Nadal owned him on FO last year, I think the tide may have turned. We will see. Let's hope they meet in the next 3 slam finals to see if Nole can beat him again. That will tell me more about both Nole and Rafa.
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1) I agree about Murray. Clearly he CAN beat the other top players and has the physical and technical skill to win more majors. But he's not quite bringing it yet. What is good for him is that in his last three major finals he has started better than his opponent. If he can keep those starts up, and sustain it a bit longer, then bingo. It will be interesting to see if he can trouble Nadal in the majors this season. Somehow, I doubt it.

2) I would rather not have a monopoly of Nadal Djokovic finls this season and next. Let's have some more variety at the top, with, at the very least, some other top ten players getting to finals. I agree that Nadal may now be able to reassert his dominance over the field after last year's clay results against Djokovic., mind
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In a slam? Nobody.

In a random unimportant non clay event? Lots of people
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Huh? You think Tsonga, Cilic and Isner can beat him at Wimbledon but not Murray?
Murray has the game but he has lost so many times that it would be hard to beat the odds. Other guys don't bother, so they could stun Nadal.
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I think Murray, but only on a slightly fast court. Outside of that, yeah only Djokovic.
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If Soderling could beat Rafa at RG so Djokovic,Del Potro and other big guys
can do it.Just one week before RG at Rome Nadal crashed Soderling 60 61 something like that and then at RG Soderling in four sets did the job perfectly well. All tall guys with big serves,good net game could do the job
but need to believe they can win and to play with mind i have nothing to lose.
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Murray has the game but he has lost so many times that it would be hard to beat the odds. Other guys don't bother, so they could stun Nadal.
So I didn't misunderstand? You genuinely believe Isner, Cilic and Tsonga are more likely to beat Nadal at Wimbledon than the world no.2, Olympic gold medalist(on grass), Wimbledon finalist and grand slam champion Andy Murray?
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