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Old 04-04-2013, 01:38 PM   #31
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Top 10 "at least" He's worse version of Tipsarevic at best
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Old 04-04-2013, 01:46 PM   #32
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Tipsarevic at his age had worse results.
Janko's early career was a model of what not to do Not sure you would want to compare to that
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Davydenko takes this for me. At his peak, he's the best ball striker on the rise tennis has ever seen imo (takes the ball earlier than any other player in history), but a mix of mental weakness and absurd scheduling/priorities (which is a result of his lack of belief) led to a career that is frankly disappointing for someone with his talent and who managed to stay healthy for the bulk of his career.
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Andrew Murray OBE should have had at least 4 slams by now.
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Gulbis easily. He is the biggest underachiever of all times.
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Gulbis will rise.

Of the current players, Davydenko, Blake and Nalbandian are the biggest underachiever.
Of the relevant players, Wawrinka and Gasquet probably are.

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Chris Guccione. But that was by choice...
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Gulbis will rise.

Of the current players, Davydenko, Blake and Nalbandian are the biggest underachiever.
Of the relevant players, Wawrinka and Gasquet probably are.

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Davydenko takes this for me. At his peak, he's the best ball striker on the rise tennis has ever seen imo (takes the ball earlier than any other player in history), but a mix of mental weakness and absurd scheduling/priorities (which is a result of his lack of belief) led to a career that is frankly disappointing for someone with his talent and who managed to stay healthy for the bulk of his career.
No way, Denko achieved a lot - few years in top 5/6, 3 masters, 1 WTF. Half of his losses against Fed were straight sets, 1-5 against Roddick, 1-7 even against Blake, 0-4 against Hewitt etc. Just not good enough to do much more than that.
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While all the answers are quite good, watching Huta Galung right now, I suppose the real answer is someone like him who never even became well known. Mergea, Przysiężny also come to mind.
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Federer and Goffin. The second should be top 10 at least, huge game and great intelligence on court combined with fantastic shot making.
By what stretch of the imagination is Goffin's game, "huge"? He's a counter-puncher who relies on his opponent's pace. He can time the ball well and has good anticipation but "huge" is the last word I would use to describe his game.

The biggest underachiever is Haas. In his youth, he had the game to win slams but he lacked fitness and always struggled with injuries. If he had shown the commitment then that he has now, he would have achieved a lot more.
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kontinen by far. never been a top 200 with top 50 material. injuries are killing him
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No way, Denko achieved a lot - few years in top 5/6, 3 masters, 1 WTF. Half of his losses against Fed were straight sets, 1-5 against Roddick, 1-7 even against Blake, 0-4 against Hewitt etc. Just not good enough to do much more than that.
This is a logical fallacy. You're basically telling me what he did actually do in order to prove that he couldn't do better. Well then, I suppose no one is an underachiever or overachiever according to that logic...

Davydenko's problems were probably the worst scheduling ever seen, invariably burning himself out for big events, playing almost every week to gather prize money (his words) - just checked old ATP rankings and he played 32 events in 2006 for example - and an incredible lack of self belief. He's probably the biggest choker every to be ranked in the world top 3. That also explains the H2Hs you mention by the way, it's common for mentally weak players to let bad matchups/negative head-to-heads get to their heads.

Don't see how anyone can deny his ballstriking talent though, he can take even Nadal's topspin forehands on the rise beautifully, which basically no one else can do without some serial shanking. He's a great talent just not a great competitor (which is usually what leads to player being underachievers - while the opposite is also true with great competitors often being preceived as overachievers).
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This is a logical fallacy. You're basically telling me what he did actually do in order to prove that he couldn't do better. Well then, I suppose no one is an underachiever or overachiever according to that logic...
Not really, I'm saying that he achieved a lot, and that going over that would most likely mean punching above his weight. I'm not buying that schedule/money explanation, if he wanted money why not going where the biggest money is - slams?

Ok, he's a elite ballstriker, what else does he do on that level? When he's not painting the lines, then he's usually in big trouble.

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Davydenko's problems were probably the worst scheduling ever seen, invariably burning himself out for big events, playing almost every week to gather prize money (his words) - just checked old ATP rankings and he played 32 events in 2006 for example - and an incredible lack of self belief. He's probably the biggest choker every to be ranked in the world top 3.
32 events, avoiding big ones... are you trying to say he vultured his way to the top?
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