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Old 04-03-2013, 11:04 AM   #31
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Berdych and Del Potro pushing Nadal, Federer, Djokovic to the limits on clay. Nadal agaisnt Berdych had played his best clay match for many years last year at Rome. On other hand Ferrer took 5 games at RG s\f. Feel the difference.
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Nadal-Ferrer Barcelona 7-6 7-5

The Ferrer match wasn't easier than the Berdych match.
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Wait, you think Ferrer is a bigger threat to Djokovic on any surface than Del Potro ? As for Nadal, just youtube 'Davis Cup Final 2011 Nadal vs Del Potro' and then compare what you see to Ferrer's constant bendovers.
You should youtube that Ferrer-Del Potro Davis Cup 2011 match.

You have no point literally. Ferrer is by all measuring mean a better clay player than Berdych and Del Potro.
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Nadal-Berdych Roma 6-4 7-5

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The Ferrer match wasn't easier than the Berdych match.
at MM's events even Montanes can beat Federer. But to be honest, Ferrer was really good at that match. But MS>>>500 .
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You should youtube that Ferrer-Del Potro Davis Cup 2011 match.
How long was that match again, 4h30 iirc? Even after that, he was able to push Nadal to the limits on clay even breadsticking him, you can't be serious about him not being a more credible threat than Ferrer.

Even Tsonga is a more credible threat to Federer/Nadal/Djokovic on clay than Ferrer, he got closer to beating Djokovic at RG last year than Ferrer ever will and he has the big game to threaten them even on clay if he redlines his game.

Berdych and Del Potro are not only more credible threats, but better players overall on the surface as well.
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How long was that match again, 4h30 iirc? Even after that, he was able to push Nadal to the limits on clay even breadsticking him, you can't be serious about him not being a more credible threat than Ferrer.

Even Tsonga is a more credible threat to Federer/Nadal/Djokovic on clay than Ferrer, he got closer to beating Djokovic at RG last year than Ferrer ever will and he has the big game to threaten them even on clay if he redlines his game.
You are reaching now.

Tsonga a better player on clay than Ferrer? Are you trolling me? Tsonga is an absolute joke on clay. I feel that Del Potro is overall a better player than Ferrer, but on clay, there is no question that Ferrer is the better player.
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Wait, you think Ferrer is a bigger threat to Djokovic on any surface than Del Potro ? I'm sure Djokovic and his fans are praying he draws Delpo instead of Ferrer

As for Nadal, just youtube 'Davis Cup Final 2011 Nadal vs Del Potro' and then compare what you see to Ferrer's constant bendovers.
It's not an obvious choice as you seem to claim to be honest. It would depend on the surface and other factors.
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You are reaching now.

Tsonga a better player on clay than Ferrer? Are you trolling me? Tsonga is an absolute joke on clay. I feel that Del Potro is overall a better player than Ferrer, but on clay, there is no question that Ferrer is the better player.
Tsonga is not a better player on clay than Ferrer, but he's a more credible threat to the elite players on the surface, yes. I trust you watched his match with Djokovic at FO last year.

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It's not an obvious choice as you seem to claim to be honest. It would depend on the surface and other factors.
There's no set of conditions or surface where Ferrer would be more likely to beat Djokovic than Del Potro. Except maybe if Del Potro had an injury that hindered his forehand (any other injury, he's still more likely to beat Djokovic than even fully fit Ferrer), in which case they'd be equally unlikely to beat him.
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Tsonga is not a better player on clay than Ferrer, but he's a more credible threat to the elite players on the surface, yes.
1) Your argument for Del Potro is the same than for Tsonga, therefore you admit that Del Potro isn't a a better player than Ferrer on clay

2) Tsonga is a clown on clay and absolutely no a threat. Djokovic was playing garbage and should have lost to Seppi, who was as close to win as Tsonga was. Ferrer would have beaten Djokovic.
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You are reaching now.

Tsonga a better player on clay than Ferrer? Are you trolling me? Tsonga is an absolute joke on clay. I feel that Del Potro is overall a better player than Ferrer, but on clay, there is no question that Ferrer is the better player.
The guy is clueless and/or is trolling. He cherry picks a match here or there or a match-up here or there and works backwards from his desired result (i.e. Ferrer sucks) to premises which make no sense.

Ferrer could beat Del Potro and Berdych 10 times in a row and it would still not penetrate this guy's head. I am not even a fan of Ferrer and still I have grown increasingly tired of this silliness. Only a fool or someone seeking attention could see Ferrer AGAINST THE ENTIRE FIELD including the other top guys (minus only Federer and Nadal) as anything less than one of the best players on clay throughout the whole clay season which is by the way more than just RG.

Responding to the original question I think Montanes is an excellent example of someone who really is a clay court specialist and of course many other Spaniards and South Americans are as well (Italians too to some extent).
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There's no set of conditions or surface where Ferrer would be more likely to beat Djokovic than Del Potro.
You really are out of control. Let's see: the last time Djokovic and Ferrer played it was a close 3 setter for Djokovic (in his career best season) and the 3 times before that Djokovic LOST.

Only one other player has a better record against Novak on clay and that isn't Del Potro by the way.
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1) Your argument for Del Potro is the same than for Tsonga, therefore you admit that Del Potro isn't a a better player than Ferrer on clay

2) Tsonga is a clown on clay and absolutely no a threat. Djokovic was playing garbage and should have lost to Seppi, who was as close to win as Tsonga was. Ferrer would have beaten Djokovic.
1) No. Del Potro is a better player on clay in general, Tsonga is simply the bigger threat.

2) Did you watch that match? It was arguably the best Slam match of the year, Ferrer wouldn't even have taken a set because unlike Tsonga he doesn't have the firepower to trouble Djokovic at all. And by the way, Seppi wasn't close to beating Nole at all, he won 2 sets but was never close to winning a third, Tsonga actually had multiple match points.

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You really are out of control. Let's see: the last time Djokovic and Ferrer played it was a close 3 setter for Djokovic (in his career best season) and the 3 times before that Djokovic LOST.

Only one other player has a better record against Novak on clay and that isn't Del Potro by the way.
Ever since Djokovic became the dominant player in tennis, Ferrer has become like an annoying mosquito that he swats aside with ease. The only exception to this is WTF 2011, where Djokovic was burnt out after one of the best seasons in the Open Era and countless wars of attrition against Nadal.
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Tsonga is not a better player on clay than Ferrer, but he's a more credible threat to the elite players on the surface, yes. I trust you watched his match with Djokovic at FO last year.



There's no set of conditions or surface where Ferrer would be more likely to beat Djokovic than Del Potro. Except maybe if Del Potro had an injury that hindered his forehand (any other injury, he's still more likely to beat Djokovic than even fully fit Ferrer), in which case they'd be equally unlikely to beat him.
And in what are you basing this assumption?

I would choose Delpo any day for a clay match. Except if it was RG final.
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You really are out of control. Let's see: the last time Djokovic and Ferrer played it was a close 3 setter for Djokovic (in his career best season) and the 3 times before that Djokovic LOST.

Only one other player has a better record against Novak on clay and that isn't Del Potro by the way.
This.

Last time they played on clay, Djokovic barely escaped in three and then beat Nadal in two. Ferrer is a hard match up for Djokovic on clay. On Hardcourt, he is a cakewalk though.

Mark Lenders, I know you are a big Del Potro fan and that you dislike Ferrer, but Ferrer is, without any debate,better than Del Potro on clay. By titles won, by H2H, by SF and F reached and overall results.
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