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Old 04-02-2013, 04:54 PM   #1
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Default Change the way accumulation of infractions & expirations are handled

This was posted as a response in another thread in suggestions:

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Under our current system, the infractions do expire (see the second column):

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 Offense                        Expires                        Maximum
  
 Discriminatory remarks         Never                          3
 Wishing injury                 Never                          3
 Wishing death                  Never                          2
 Uttering threats               Never                          2
 Multiple accounts              Never                          2
 Harassment                     Never                          3
 Violation of privacy           Never                          3
 Bashing Moderators             1 Year                         7
 Spam (advertising)             -                              1
 Porn/Inappropriate images      1 year                         5
 Signature rule violation       1 year                         7
 Editing a mod's changes        1 year                         5
 Posting for banned member      1 year                         5
 Personal attack                1 year                         10
 Inappropriate language         1 year                         10
 Forum disruptions              1 year                         10
 Baiting                        1 year                         10
 Trolling                       1 year                         10
 Doping Allegations             1 year                         10
 Match Fixing Allegations       1 year                         10
Only infractions for serious offences, such as wishing death, don't expire.

This means that technically, someone who gets 3 discriminatory remarks infractions could be permanently banned. But in practice the mods have never banned anyone with such a low number of infractions. Typically, we don't think about banning someone unless they have accumulated at least 15 infractions (in CF's case, he had 15 or 16 in total, including 3 for discriminatory remarks, and 10 for personal attacks).

Infractions that expire are not taken into account for temporary bans. So, if someone has 8 personal attack infractions in one year, but then has no personal attack infractions until 2 years later, the 9th personal attack infraction the person gets will be counted as if it is his or her only personal attack infraction for the purpose of a temporary ban. However, if the person is being considered for a permanent ban, all of his or her infractions, regardless of whether they have expired or not, will be considered.

We chose to do this as a way of acknowledging improvement in the behavior of those who, despite a period of accumulating infractions, eventually show significant improvements in their behavior. It would be unfair to hold them accountable for past behavior that no longer represents the kind of member they are.

On the other hand, the total number of infractions (expired or not) is a good overall assessment of a member to decide a permanent ban, because it shows that, despite occasional periods of good behaviour, they may nevertheless be the type of member that will never change. This was the case for a number of members who would lay low for brief periods but frequently get back to their disruptive ways, for example, as soon as their bans expired. E.g. the former member Orgasmatron is someone like that who comes to mind, and I think SdG, who was permanently banned after 22 infractions, was the same.

That's the current state of the rules, and the logic behind having the current way of temporary and permanent bans.
I see a few problems here.

The more serious infractions never expire. Fine. But the less serious or even fairly trivial infractions all have a 1 year expiration. This lack of distinction or granularity among the infractions needs correction.

I believe the mentality described in the quote above differentiating between not counting expired infractions for temporary bans, but counting expired infractions for permanent bans is one of the main problems with dishing out some of the permabans.

The two bolded statements in the quote above regarding the less serious infractions that do have an expiration are essentially contradictory, in one case it's unfair to keep holding them accountable as time passes, and the other case, a declaration that the user isn't improving if he still gets them and is therefore deserving of a permaban.

If I'm x user with 5 years of posts and say 14,000 posts accumulated 14 (.01%) posts resulting in various types of minor infractions, let's say 7 of them in the first year, another 3 in the next year, and 2 the next year, and 2 in the 4th year, for a total of 14, then in my fifth year, I get one minor offense for a forum disruption, this means I should be permabanned? If the infractions has properly expired, even with the stated 1 year exp., in my fifth year, I would only have a maximum of 3 minor infractions on my record.

So first, expired infractions are just that. They are wiped out, period. Expiration is expiration. Like points disappearing on my license after x time. Gone.

Second, expiration period, should be more finely tuned to fit each offense. The severity of these offenses needs review. An accusation (not suspicion or speculation) of doping or match fixing could be regarded as libel. Whereas Forum disruption?

Third, accumulation of total non-expired, non-serious offenses should never result in a permaban, which many believe should be reserved for only the most serious potentially harmful infractions.

Fourth, accumulation of individual non-expired, non-serious offenses should result in a maximum ban for that particular non-serious offense, that's it.

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Expired infractions shouldn't be counted into the permban count, I agree.
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This was posted as a response in another thread in suggestions:



I see a few problems here.

The more serious infractions never expire. Fine. But the less serious or even fairly trivial infractions all have a 1 year expiration. This lack of distinction or granularity among the infractions needs correction.
Why? And in what way does it need to be "corrected"?

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I believe the mentality described in the quote above differentiating between not counting expired infractions for temporary bans, but counting expired infractions for permanent bans is one of the main problems with dishing out some of the permabans.

The two bolded statements in the quote above regarding the less serious infractions that do have an expiration are essentially contradictory, in one case it's unfair to keep holding them accountable as time passes, and the other case, a declaration that the user isn't improving if he still gets them and is therefore deserving of a permaban.
There is no contradiction. You have to remember that it's not o.k. to break forum rules, and that we don't owe it to members to allow them to continue to break the rules. Yet, to be lenient, we allow someone to get away with slipping up, even if they have slipped up multiple times before, so long as there has been a period when their behaviour has improved. However, there has to be a point when we say enough is enough. Despite multiple chances, warnings, and short bans, this person continues to break the rules. It's no longer worth it to allow them to continue to attack other members and disrupt the forum with the hope that maybe someday they will learn from their past mistakes and start to behave.

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If I'm x user with 5 years of posts and say 14,000 posts accumulated 14 (.01%) posts resulting in various types of minor infractions, let's say 7 of them in the first year, another 3 in the next year, and 2 the next year, and 2 in the 4th year, for a total of 14, then in my fifth year, I get one minor offense for a forum disruption, this means I should be permabanned? If the infractions has properly expired, even with the stated 1 year exp., in my fifth year, I would only have a maximum of 3 minor infractions on my record.
No one is automatically banned after 15 infractions. Nor does it mean that having 15 infractions alone is enough for a permanent ban. A decision to permanently ban someone is not taken lightly. It involves assessing the person's history as a whole, and having a discussion with all or most of the mods about the user before any decision is made. Sometimes (e.g. in CF's case), the user is even warned via p.m. that their next infraction could result in a permanent ban. So it's not as arbitrary as you have described it.

Nor is it accurate or relevant to say that only 15 posts out of X number account for the entire reason this person is banned. It's irrelevant just as someone's argument at trial that out of the 1 million people they interacted with, they only murdered 1, and it would be unfair for them to be put in captivity for the rest of their natural life because of what accounts for 0.0001% their interactions with other people. Unfortunately that specific act, like those specific posts, do matter.

It is inaccurate because the mods do not infract every problematic post. Often times problematic posts are deleted. If a person is considered for a permanent ban, it's not because they have reached an arbitrary number of infractions, but it's because their entire history on MTF makes them unsuitable to continue to be a member.

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Second, expiration period, should be more finely tuned to fit each offense. The severity of these offenses needs review. An accusation (not suspicion or speculation) of doping or match fixing could be regarded as libel. Whereas Forum disruption?
We judge severity based on practical considerations. So whereas libel is a serious concern, the forum has suffered much more from forum disruptions than from law suits. It has to be a practical consideration framed in the everyday realities of the forum.


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So first, expired infractions are just that. They are wiped out, period. Expiration is expiration. Like points disappearing on my license after x time. Gone.
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Third, accumulation of total non-expired, non-serious offenses should never result in a permaban, which many believe should be reserved for only the most serious potentially harmful infractions.

Fourth, accumulation of individual non-expired, non-serious offenses should result in a maximum ban for that particular non-serious offense, that's it.
The suggestions in bold will be taken into consideration. But note that as of now you haven't given us any compelling reasons, at least in this thread, for why they should be implemented.
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I see a few problems here.

The more serious infractions never expire. Fine. But the less serious or even fairly trivial infractions all have a 1 year expiration. This lack of distinction or granularity among the infractions needs correction.

...Second, expiration period, should be more finely tuned to fit each offense. The severity of these offenses needs review. An accusation (not suspicion or speculation) of doping or match fixing could be regarded as libel. Whereas Forum disruption?
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Why? And in what way does it need to be "corrected"?

We judge severity based on practical considerations. So whereas libel is a serious concern, the forum has suffered much more from forum disruptions than from law suits. It has to be a practical consideration framed in the everyday realities of the forum.

I think the bolded is sufficient reason and almost self evident. The infractions have varying degrees of seriousness or severity, of which I gave an example lower down (accusation of doping match fixing vs. forum disruption). Trivial infractions usually occur more frequently for a few reasons, maybe because people are not overly concerned about them, or may not even be aware of them, or because they are so vague that people don't think they are doing something wrong, or perhaps other reasons. However, if the forum were to have one or two incidents of libel on its hands, let's see how anxious the site owners will want those infractions to expire. I believe severity trumps frequency for expiration or ban length, but perhaps others do not. It seems that the annoyance theme is as much a concern to admins/mods than seriousness of the infraction. But sure, put it to a vote.


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There is no contradiction. You have to remember that it's not o.k. to break forum rules, and that we don't owe it to members to allow them to continue to break the rules. Yet, to be lenient, we allow someone to get away with slipping up, even if they have slipped up multiple times before, so long as there has been a period when their behaviour has improved. However, there has to be a point when we say enough is enough. Despite multiple chances, warnings, and short bans, this person continues to break the rules. It's no longer worth it to allow them to continue to attack other members and disrupt the forum with the hope that maybe someday they will learn from their past mistakes and start to behave.
Obviously it's not ok to break rules. But apparently, some feel that some rules are either not justified, or application of the rules is being questioned. I see contradiction, you don't. On the one hand, allowing expiration of offenses means not counting it, because that is a fair thing to do, on the other hand it is bad and they should be counted and punished. This is the type of admin/mod behavior that many people criticize - Inconsistency. If people are still being punished for offenses that have expired, then for practical purposes, they haven't really expired, have they? Expiration becomes a smoke and mirrors act that gives an illusion of being fair.

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No one is automatically banned after 15 infractions. Nor does it mean that having 15 infractions alone is enough for a permanent ban. A decision to permanently ban someone is not taken lightly. It involves assessing the person's history as a whole, and having a discussion with all or most of the mods about the user before any decision is made. Sometimes (e.g. in CF's case), the user is even warned via p.m. that their next infraction could result in a permanent ban. So it's not as arbitrary as you have described it.

I used the number as an example. Obviously some limit, arbitrary or not, must be reached, since the reason given is the blanket "multiple and repeated rule violations". The notion that a relatively minor infraction, even repeated multiple times, can cause a permaban is preposterous to me. It's the equivalent of sending someone to jail for the rest of their life because they have committed multiple "disturbing the peace" violations. I agree that multiple violations are clearly annoying. The "enough is enough" mantra tells me that someone has reached the end of their patience with being annoyed and doesn't want to deal with the problem anymore. Should annoyance justify punishment of non-serious offences with a permaban, or isn't enough to simply keep banning for x months each occurrence?

We used to have a person in the neighborhood that got drunk every so often, and occasionally would spend the night in the local jail. After getting some help, sometimes it would be months between incidents, one time it was even 2 or 3 years, but unfortunately it would happen again. Yeah, it was annoying for the local police to have to deal with him each time, but he wasn't treated like someone who committed murder because he caused police annoyance. Perhaps the police might have felt like saying "enough is enough", locked him up and thrown away the key, but fortunately most civilized society has long held notions that punishment should fit the crime, not the level of irritation of the enforcers who are doing their job.


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Nor is it accurate or relevant to say that only 15 posts out of X number account for the entire reason this person is banned. It's irrelevant just as someone's argument at trial that out of the 1 million people they interacted with, they only murdered 1, and it would be unfair for them to be put in captivity for the rest of their natural life because of what accounts for 0.0001% their interactions with other people. Unfortunately that specific act, like those specific posts, do matter.

It is inaccurate because the mods do not infract every problematic post. Often times problematic posts are deleted. If a person is considered for a permanent ban, it's not because they have reached an arbitrary number of infractions, but it's because their entire history on MTF makes them unsuitable to continue to be a member.
You certainly have a point in that the percentage of bad behavior vs. good doesn't excuse the bad behavior, but I wasn't using the percentage as a basis for one deserving a permaban or not, so it's unfortunate I even mentioned it. The main point is that someone shouldn't receive a maximum sentence possible (a permaban), for relatively minor offense, even if multiple. They should receive a maximum penalty that fits that offense, like someone who commits a misdemeanor multiple times is not going to get sentenced as if they murdered someone, to use your example.

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The suggestions in bold will be taken into consideration. But note that as of now you haven't given us any compelling reasons, at least in this thread, for why they should be implemented.
Hopefully I have provided sufficient reasons for enough people. If not, then c'est la vie.

Thanks for your responses!


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I think the bolded is sufficient reason and almost self evident.
For reasons that are self-evident to you, "forum disruptions" has a different level of "severity" (something that seems to be based on your subjective assessment) than "doping allegations".

In the practical reality of the forum, i.e. insofar as these two types of offences actually cause trouble to the forum, there hasn't been enough distinction between these two offences to cause us to assign different ban or infraction schemes to them. For example, subject to recent exceptions, doping allegations occur infrequently, and are often contained within single posts. Forum disruptions occur more frequently, and often occur in the form of whole threads. I personally find the latter to be more problematic as a practical matter, because it's more disruptive to the forum as a whole. But you are correct that if we were hit with a couple of law suits, we would think differently. Until that actually happens, the two types of offences don't warrant differential treatment.


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...I see contradiction, you don't. On the one hand, allowing expiration of offenses means not counting it, because that is a fair thing to do, on the other hand it is bad and they should be counted and punished. This is the type of admin/mod behavior that many people criticize - Inconsistency. If people are still being punished for offenses that have expired, then for practical purposes, they haven't really expired, have they?
I would agree with you if we said infractions had expired, period. Because then counting them anyway is contradictory. But we never said those infractions expire, period. Just that they expire for the purposes of temporary bans, but not permanent bans. You are correct that I don't see the contradiction. My apologies if I have missed something here, or misrepresented what you have said.


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I agree that multiple violations are clearly annoying. The "enough is enough" mantra tells me that someone has reached the end of their patience with being annoyed and doesn't want to deal with the problem anymore. Should annoyance justify punishment of non-serious offences with a permaban, or isn't enough to simply keep banning for x months each occurrence?

...most civilized society has long held notions that punishment should fit the crime, not the level of irritation of the enforcers who are doing their job.
You've erroneously assumed that I said anything about being annoyed. It has nothing to do with that. The "enough is enough" mantra is about the fact that this person cannot be a member of this forum without either attacking others, greatly offending them, or being a disruptive force in the forum. The rules, including bans, are for the most part there for the members, and for the functioning of the forum, not to make sure some mod doesn't get annoyed.


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The notion that a relatively minor infraction, even repeated multiple times, can lead to a permaban is preposterous to me
Again, that's not how permanent bans work in practice. My response to that is already contained in my previous post.

Anyhow, despite our obvious disagreements, thank you for raising your concerns and for your contributions.
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Thanks for your responses.

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I would agree with you if we said infractions had expired, period.
Here is a quote of the current expiration rule in scoobs' post just after step 4. in the Site-Wide Rules and Guide.

"Warnings and infractions have an expiry date, after which they will no longer count. So if, for instance, a user has a yellow card and 4 red cards for forum disruptions, and the yellow card and two red card expires, the next infraction would be a red card for forum disruptions, but would only be the third active red card, and so the ban would be appropriate for that card. If posters refrain from breaking the rules, eventually all but the most serious infractions will expire and no longer count when determining how long a user needs to be banned"
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This makes no mention of differentiating between temporary and permanent bans. It says they will no longer count, twice. It's pretty plain to me and any poster that would read the rule to have an expectation that infractions won't count once expired, period.

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You are correct. That needs to be changed.
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You are correct. That needs to be changed.
Hmm... So does this mean users who previously had numerous expired infractions that were counted erroneously according to the published rule and permanently banned for the multiple infraction reason shall be unbanned?

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Hmm... So does this mean users who previously had numerous expired infractions that were counted erroneously according to the published rule and permanently banned for the multiple infraction reason shall be unbanned?

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Again, no one is permanently banned just for having multiple infractions. I can't emphasize that enough.

But this (what you have pointed out) is something I will review.
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You are correct. That needs to be changed.
How is possible that something is not being considered as a discriminatory remark for more than year and a half and than all of the sudden it is?
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How is possible that something is not being considered as a discriminatory remark for more than year and a half and than all of the sudden it is?
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discriminatory remarks don't expire, but even if they did, it doesn't mean that the remark itself is not discriminatory, it just means the infraction doesn't count toward bans after some time has passed.
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discriminatory remarks don't expire, but even if they did, it doesn't mean that the remark itself is not discriminatory, it just means the infraction doesn't count toward bans after some time has passed.
You misunderstood me.How is it possible that a quote from a movie that was in my signature was not being considered discriminatory for more than year and a half and than all of the sudden it was.
The quote was there for everybody to see and nobody found it discriminatory for such a long time and than all of the sudden that changed.That's strange to say the least.
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You misunderstood me.How is it possible that a quote from a movie that was in my signature was not being considered discriminatory for more than year and a half and than all of the sudden it was.
The quote was there for everybody to see and nobody found it discriminatory for such a long time and than all of the sudden that changed.That's strange to say the least.
I don't really know why. maybe no one noticed it before. some people view the forum with signatures turned off.
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:53 PM   #15
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Default Re: Change the way accumulation of infractions & expirations are handled

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I don't really know why. maybe no one noticed it before. some people view the forum with signatures turned off.
In year and a half?Not very likely, but okay.
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