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Old 04-30-2013, 04:47 PM   #46
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I agree with labeling. Then you can decide what to buy, is not that difficult.

Argentina was one of the first countries to approve GMO soy (1996), then corn and cotton.

The technology was huge for us in terms of commercial value. For example, the actual government relies on soybeans exports taxes (close to 45%)

While organic & non GMO (side note: non GMO and organic is not the same thing) food seems healthier, sadly can't supply all the people.

For consideration: why don't we discuss about the food price / value system? In some moments, for a producer is more beneficial to throw food (literally) because more amount of an specific fruit / vegetable / animal would mean lowering the price.

Also, if the quantity is the problem, why are we still keeping food? (you name it: cans, bottles, refrigeration)

Sorry for my english, I would like to participate more on this debate but I'm very limited.
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I agree with labeling. Then you can decide what to buy, is not that difficult.

Argentina was one of the first countries to approve GMO soy (1996), then corn and cotton.

The technology was huge for us in terms of commercial value. For example, the actual government relies on soybeans exports taxes (close to 45%)

While organic & non GMO (side note: non GMO and organic is not the same thing) food seems healthier, sadly can't supply all the people.

For consideration: why don't we discuss about the food price / value system? In some moments, for a producer is more beneficial to throw food (literally) because more amount of an specific fruit / vegetable / animal would mean lowering the price.

Also, if the quantity is the problem, why are we still keeping food? (you name it: cans, bottles, refrigeration)

Sorry for my english, I would like to participate more on this debate but I'm very limited.
I could understand well enough.

Thanks for the input.
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Old 04-30-2013, 07:55 PM   #48
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GMO = good thing, enables us to produce more food with less resources, a thing that we will need when the world population increases
exactly one of the reasons why overpopulation is bad=gmo is bad
forever altering the natural evolution of species which took millions/billions of years to get here
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Hilarious.

That doesn't explain a thing. Why would GMOs be dangerous? What is the mechanic that would make it dangerous? how about answering that instead of pseudo-research.

Breeding also genetically modifies but slower. Most plants and farm animals today has have genes so far from their natural "relatives" that it's astounishing and it has taken hundreds of years, in some cases thousands, to breed certain species. Yet we happily eat them.

With true genetic modification you can cheat nature and take a shortcut. What used to take hundreds of generations can be done almost right away.

Is it dangerous? We don't work cells or DNA into our body from anything we eat, instead it's broken down into the basic components, in case of proteins those are the 22 amino acids. Those are then used to synthezise proteins using the bodies own blueprint and not from the things we eat. It's not very complicated to understand that we don't actually take up genes from what we eat.



Instead we should worry about pesticides and the use of antibiotics etc that will lead to severe environmental damage and also resistant bacteria. Much better to have superior GM plants and animals then so we can lower the use of pesticides and medication/vaccinations of animals.
Thank you. When I saw the thread, my first thought was, "All the food we eat has been genetically modified."

I don't have a problem with the labeling though. I just wish they would make producers identify the hormones that are in dairy products and meant products.

But next time you find some wheat that has NOT been genetically modified, let me know. Or any grain whatsoever. All of them have been genetically modified by man for one purpose or another.

There's far more danger from ingesting hormones fed to livestock and from fertilizer used to grow plants.

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Thank you. When I saw the thread, my first thought was, "All the food we eat has been genetically modified."

I don't have a problem with the labeling though. I just wish they would make producers identify the hormones that are in dairy products and meant products.

But next time you find some wheat that has NOT been genetically modified, let me know. Or any grain whatsoever. All of them have been genetically modified by man for one purpose or another.

There's far more danger from ingesting hormones fed to livestock and from fertilizer used to grow plants.
Why???


Did you miss this quote from above?

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"What we found is that the molecules created in this wheat, intended to silence wheat genes, can match human genes, and through ingestion, these molecules can enter human beings and potentially silence our genes," Heinemann stated. "The findings are absolutely assured. There is no doubt that these matches exist."
Flinders University Professor Judy Carman and Safe Food Foundation Director Scott Kinnear concurred with Heinemann's analysis.

"If this silences the same gene in us that it silences in the wheat -- well, children who are born with this enzyme not working tend to die by the age of about five," Carman said.
This doesn't sound like the genetically modified genes we're used to.

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Please do a little research before posting, several posts are just putting down words without any evidence.




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Some time has passed and some new evidence is emerging.


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Evidence points to glyphosate toxicity from the overuse of Monsanto’s Roundup herbicide on our food.

For over three decades, Stephanie Seneff, PhD, has researched biology and technology, over the years publishing over 170 scholarly peer-reviewed articles. In recent years she has concentrated on the relationship between nutrition and health, tackling such topics as Alzheimer’s, autism, and cardiovascular diseases, as well as the impact of nutritional deficiencies and environmental toxins on human health.

At a conference last Thursday, in a special panel discussion about GMOs, she took the audience by surprise when she declared, “At today’s rate, by 2025, one in two children will be autistic.” She noted that the side effects of autism closely mimic those of glyphosate toxicity, and presented data showing a remarkably consistent correlation between the use of Roundup on crops (and the creation of Roundup-ready GMO crop seeds) with rising rates of autism. Children with autism have biomarkers indicative of excessive glyphosate, including zinc and iron deficiency, low serum sulfate, seizures, and mitochondrial disorder.

A fellow panelist reported that after Dr. Seneff’s presentation, “All of the 70 or so people in attendance were squirming, likely because they now had serious misgivings about serving their kids, or themselves, anything with corn or soy, which are nearly all genetically modified and thus tainted with Roundup and its glyphosate.”

Dr. Seneff noted the ubiquity of glyphosate’s use. Because it is used on corn and soy, all soft drinks and candies sweetened with corn syrup and all chips and cereals that contain soy fillers have small amounts of glyphosate in them, as do our beef and poultry since cattle and chicken are fed GMO corn or soy. Wheat is often sprayed with Roundup just prior to being harvested, which means that all non-organic bread and wheat products would also be sources of glyphosate toxicity. The amount of glyphosate in each product may not be large, but the cumulative effect (especially with as much processed food as Americans eat) could be devastating. A recent study shows that pregnant women living near farms where pesticides are applied have a 60% increased risk of children having an autism spectrum disorder.

Other toxic substances may also be autism-inducing. You may recall our story on the CDC whistleblower who revealed the government’s deliberate concealment of the link between the MMR vaccine (for measles, mumps, and rubella) and a sharply increased risk of autism, particularly in African American boys. Other studies now show a link between children’s exposure to pesticides and autism. Children who live in homes with vinyl floors, which can emit phthalate chemicals, are more likely to have autism. Children whose mothers smoked were also twice as likely to have autism. Research now acknowledges that environmental contaminants such as PCBs, PBDEs, and mercury can alter brain neuron functioning even before a child is born.

This month, the USDA released a study finding that although there were detectable levels of pesticide residue in more than half of food tested by the agency, 99% of samples taken were found to be within levels the government deems safe, and 40% were found to have no detectable trace of pesticides at all. The USDA added, however, that due to “cost concerns,” it did not test for residues of glyphosate. Let’s repeat that: they never tested for the active ingredient in the most widely used herbicide in the world. “Cost concerns”? How absurd—unless they mean it will cost them too much in terms of the special relationship between the USDA and Monsanto. You may recall the revolving door between Monsanto and the federal government, with agency officials becoming high-paying executives—and vice versa! Money, power, prestige: it’s all there. Monsanto and the USDA love to scratch each others’ backs. Clearly this omission was purposeful.

In addition, as we have previously reported, the number of adverse reactions from vaccines can be correlated as well with autism, though Seneff says it doesn’t correlate quite as closely as with Roundup. The same correlations between applications of glyphosate and autism show up in deaths from senility.

Of course, autism is a complex problem with many potential causes. Dr. Seneff’s data, however, is particularly important considering how close the correlation is—and because it is coming from a scientist with impeccable credentials. Earlier this year, she spoke at the Autism One conference and presented many of the same facts; that presentation is available on YouTube.

Monsanto claims that Roundup is harmless to humans. Bacteria, fungi, algae, parasites, and plants use a seven-step metabolic route known as the shikimate pathway for the biosynthesis of aromatic amino acids; glyphosate inhibits this pathway, causing the plant to die, which is why it’s so effective as an herbicide. Monsanto says humans don’t have this shikimate pathway, so it’s perfectly safe.

Dr. Seneff points out, however, that our gut bacteria do have this pathway, and that’s crucial because these bacteria supply our body with crucial amino acids. Roundup thus kills beneficial gut bacteria, allowing pathogens to grow; interferes with the synthesis of amino acids including methionine, which leads to shortages in critical neurotransmitters and folate; chelates (removes) important minerals like iron, cobalt and manganese; and much more.

Even worse, she notes, additional chemicals in Roundup are untested because they’re classified as “inert,” yet according to a 2014 study in BioMed Research International, these chemicals are capable of amplifying the toxic effects of Roundup hundreds of times over.

Glyphosate is present in unusually high quantities in the breast milk of American mothers, at anywhere from 760 to 1,600 times the allowable limits in European drinking water. Urine testing shows Americans have ten times the glyphosate accumulation as Europeans.

“In my view, the situation is almost beyond repair,” Dr. Seneff said after her presentation. “We need to do something drastic.”
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it's cute and all, how concerned you are with what people are putting in there bodies but you need to get a reality check- perfectly organic and healthy foods are rising in cost all across the world because there is no affordable or viable option to make them economically friendly and available to the vast amount of people on the planet

soon we will not be able to feed the Earths population even WITH GMO products so I think you should consider that. it's nice to say 'hey watch out for that food!' but the reality is without GMO products the current food supply would be in a much worse situation

everything will never be perfect. sure, I can buy a non GMO product at a store but pay x2 the price. is that viable all the time for someone on a budget? no. again, I respect putting it on labels so people will be more aware, but in the end I do not necessarily think it would be a smart idea to scare people away from eating products which will help fight against the depleting amount of food on the planet. even if GMO products can be to some degree dangerous, it may be worth the cost so that people can live in the short term (as food crises get worse in the future)
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it's cute and all, how concerned you are with what people are putting in there bodies but you need to get a reality check- perfectly organic and healthy foods are rising in cost all across the world because there is no affordable or viable option to make them economically friendly and available to the vast amount of people on the planet

soon we will not be able to feed the Earths population even WITH GMO products so I think you should consider that. it's nice to say 'hey watch out for that food!' but the reality is without GMO products the current food supply would be in a much worse situation

everything will never be perfect. sure, I can buy a non GMO product at a store but pay x2 the price. is that viable all the time for someone on a budget? no. again, I respect putting it on labels so people will be more aware, but in the end I do not necessarily think it would be a smart idea to scare people away from eating products which will help fight against the depleting amount of food on the planet. even if GMO products can be to some degree dangerous, it may be worth the cost so that people can live in the short term (as food crises get worse in the future)


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The inert ingredients are not really inert.
The human body can process and eliminate these ingredients, maybe without harm, maybe.

But there's ten times more bacteria living in the human body than for every cell we have.
Our bodies depend on bacteria for survival.
So in this way, damaging the bacteria will put the human body in the situation where it has never adapted, a new bacterial configuration.
The bacteria we have isn't just bacteria, it's part of our system and does a lot of processing of protein, nutrients and many other things that help us. It's not a seperate entity.


Other points on the macro effects such as money, quantity of food and such have to be weighed against the problems.

Better to look into it closely than to flip a coin and hope for the best.
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I find Whole Foods to be a total ripoff. There is nothing special about their produce, just the prices.
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I find Whole Foods to be a total ripoff. There is nothing special about their produce, just the prices.
yeah, I agree. And how some of the people walk around with their noses in the air.
It's like, hey! look at me, I'm shopping at whole foods! I'm special!

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