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Old 03-12-2013, 12:04 AM   #1
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Default Prisons - do they work?

Probably a more interesting question to ask on a forum like this as there are so many foreign people on here so I can get a wide range of views.

For me, prison doesn't work. Simply takes the offender off the street for a small amount of time before releasing him back into the wild so to speak in order to re-offend.
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They work for some people, they don't work for others.
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They work for some people, they don't work for others.
Thanks for that.

When you decide to publish your memoirs let me know. I'm sure they'll be full of inspiration and wisdom if your posts are anything to go by.
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Yeah, there are obvious drawbacks of the prison system, but what alternative do we have? It's already quite a liberal and restorative system that we have, but it could be even more so (bad idea, in my opinion), or we could go back to the nineteenth century ways? Definitely not.

Prisons just about serve their purpose, some people are maniacs though and will re-offend no matter what kind of punishment they are given.
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Thanks for that.

When you decide to publish your memoirs let me know. I'm sure they'll be full of inspiration and wisdom if your posts are anything to go by.
Well it's the honest answer... why do I need to go into detail when it's proven that it's the case? Many people leave prison and go on to lead great lives from then on out, reformed people who do great things in life, be it just for themselves, or for communities as a whole. On the other hand, there is people who leave prison and are back there right away. IMO it highly depends on the crowd the person ends up with in Prison, plus the area of the Prison.
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Yeah, there are obvious drawbacks of the prison system, but what alternative do we have? It's already quite a liberal and restorative system that we have, but it could be even more so (bad idea, in my opinion), or we could go back to the nineteenth century ways? Definitely not.

Prisons just about serve their purpose, some people are maniacs though and will re-offend no matter what kind of punishment they are given.
Most of the people re-offend.

Prison makes them even sicker than they were before. They would work if people actually served their sentence, not if they are release a few years after they were locked in.
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Michael Scofield has proved that they really don't.
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Thanks for that.

When you decide to publish your memoirs let me know. I'm sure they'll be full of inspiration and wisdom if your posts are anything to go by.
To be fair, your posts in most threads are just as cryptic.

"The death penalty is barbaric and doesn't work."

You're no chomsky or aristotle either are you?
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And, Roger Federer ranks 5th. But any problem cannot be found? is there nothing?  

Because, Djokovic, Murray, and Nadal certainly win Roger?

Even David Ferrer? (Roger 14 - 0 David)

Or, Roger loses even before QF? lol

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To be fair, your posts in most threads are just as cryptic.

"The death penalty is barbaric and doesn't work."

You're no chomsky or aristotle either are you?
Don't really know why I needed to add anything more than that?

It's an absolute fact that the death penalty doesn't work and taking someone's life is barbaric.

Not like there's a debate needed, the facts are out there and speak for themselves.
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To be fair, your posts in most threads are just as cryptic.

"The death penalty is barbaric and doesn't work."

You're no chomsky or aristotle either are you?
Just ignore him mate. He's clearly a troll who has nothing valuable to add to the forum but insults and picking apart other users faults like he's the perfect man.
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He went from jail to NUS law school

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Ex-offender turns his life around in jail and will graduate with a law degree this year

Fresh-faced Mr Darren Tan graduates this year from the National University of Singapore (NUS) with a law degree.

That is quite an achievement for the 34-year-old, who has spent more than 10 years of his life in jail and received 19 strokes of the cane for drug and gang-related offences.

When he finally straightened himself out, he returned to his studies with a vengeance, aced the A levels and did what many considered an audacious thing - he applied to study law at NUS.

Associate Professor Eleanor Wong, one of two law dons who interviewed him in jail, said he demonstrated character, perseverance and commitment in the way he schooled himself in prison and turned his life around.

"When we interviewed him, he also demonstrated maturity, humility and honesty, all important qualities for doing well not just in law school but in his subsequent career," she told The Sunday Times.

He became the first student with a criminal past to be admitted to the NUS law school.

A latchkey kid, he was an only child whose father worked in a coffee shop and mother at a fruit stall.

He did well in primary school, but in secondary school he joined a gang and began a life of drugs and crime.

By 14, he was smoking marijuana, sniffing glue and taking sleeping pills to get high, before moving on to pricier drugs. He also sold pirated VCDs, collected protection money, and was involved in illegal gambling and drug trafficking.

At 18, he was sent to the Reformative Training Centre for two years for robbery and drug consumption.

After he was released, he went back to trafficking drugs. Eleven months later, he was back in jail for trafficking and taking drugs. This time he was given an eight-year sentence. He was released, only to be caught and sent back for yet another five years, for taking drugs.

He was 25 and behind bars when his turnaround finally came. Alone in his cell and contemplating his crimes, he saw things more clearly at last: "I realised that my past life wasn't very meaningful or satisfying."

He resumed his studies, eventually taking the A levels and scoring four As and a B, including an A1 for General Paper, which he attributed to "reading the newspapers with a dictionary and grammar book by my side".

He applied for law school from prison, despite everyone advising him not to set himself up for disappointment. "My faith gave me a lot of strength," said the Christian.

Life is quite different today. He lives with his parents - his father is now a taxi driver and his mother, a production operator - has a girlfriend, and is a volunteer helping youth at risk, and ex-offenders.

He is also working with a partner of law firm Braddell Brothers, Mr Anand Nalachandran, as part of his law clinic elective module, assisting on active pro bono matters.

Said Mr Nalachandran: "As defence counsel, we often request a chance for offenders to reform and rehabilitate so I'm glad to be able to support Darren in this course."

It is people like Mr Tan that the Yellow Ribbon Fund aims to help. It linked him with a private donor who helped pay for his course fees and provided a living allowance.

Many feel that his hard knocks will set him apart as a lawyer, where he hopes to cut his teeth in commercial litigation.

But first, he will have to be called to the Bar. Criteria for admission require one to be of "good conduct and diligence", and technically, the Attorney-General's Chambers or Law Society can object.

Noted Mr Nalachandran: "Based on his performance thus far, I look forward to welcoming him to the profession."

http://www.singaporelawwatch.sg/slw/...utm_medium=web
Apart from this, I agree with the guy who said it works for some and not others. Not sure why that was less of a 'fact' than the OP's assertion about the death penalty.
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Depends on who you put in them.

I hate the Lib Dems but no way should Chris Huhne and his ex-wife be put in our already over-crowded prisons when there are far worse offenders around.
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No. Prisons are negative reinforcement. Yes, some people do come out and change, but for the most part I don't think people do truly change. I mean a very large portion of prisoners commit more crimes after they come out.

The truth is that positive reinforcement is much more beneficial and if I remember correctly statistically more successful than negative reinforcement. Obviously when people commit crimes, they shouldn't be given something positive, that is definitely not what I am saying, but to just let them rot in some negative environment the entire time and hope that they will be law abiding citizens coming out is utterly stupid.

People who commit crimes should go to places where they teach proper behavior in a professional and, most importantly, positive way.
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My brother went to jail for drugs n alcohol abuse and disturbing the community.
Inside he found GOD. Been annoying ever since, became a pastor and wouldnt stop giving us sermons thinking our lives would be astray if we dont follow him. Very annoying!!
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They work. Because they show scumbags that actions have consequences. The only problem are poorly managed. Prisons should be like a military camp. Constant work and strict dicipline.

The problem is that most prisons are more like storage with nothing to do where criminals spend time talking to other criminals or just being bored. Nothing good comes out of that.

Prisoners should work hard producing things and earning money. If there is nothing to do inside or in a prison factory take them out chained up and work on roads and infrastructure. The money they earn with their sweat can be kept and allow them to start a new life ones they are let out.

It also shows that honest work pays. The problem with many "criminals-for-life" is that they got into crime as kids or teenagers and know nothing else. If they are shown a safe and sound alternative they got no reason to fall back into their old lifestyle.

If it's psychotic people or people that can't even keep in line in prison then ofc keep'em locked up for good, preferably in single cells so their destructive nature doesn't influence others. Death Penalty is not necessary because it shouldn't be so expensive to keep a person locked up for life in this day and age.
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