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Old 03-11-2013, 12:02 PM   #16
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it's scary how Rafa would only get 2 more Slams......it shows how much Federer is irrelevant to him
Maybe he would've won less slams even. Given that Federer took out some people that could've potentially threatened him. AO 09? Wimbledon 08? RG 11? Even Wimbledon 06/07 wouldn't have been a certainty. I don't think so, but who knows.
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:06 PM   #17
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it's scary how Rafa would only get 2 more Slams......it shows how much Federer is irrelevant to him
It may even be less than that.

No Roger in 2011 means the Roland Garros final probably would've been Rafa v (red hot winning streak) Djokovic...
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Maybe he would've won less slams even. Given that Federer took out some people that could've potentially threatened him. AO 09? Wimbledon 08? RG 11? Even Wimbledon 06/07 wouldn't have been a certainty. I don't think so, but who knows.
I assure you I didn't see this post before mine (I'm slow).
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:22 PM   #19
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I don't think 19-year-old Nadal would have won Wimbledon 06. He had a joke of a draw that year, and his presence in final was not an indicator of his true level. Besides, Had Roger not existed, Roddick would have been a multi-slam winner by then, with a confidence at its peak. I'm pretty sure he would have routined Rafa in the final. Of course 2007 is a completely different matter.
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:01 PM   #20
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I assure you I didn't see this post before mine (I'm slow).
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I don't think 19-year-old Nadal would have won Wimbledon 06. He had a joke of a draw that year, and his presence in final was not an indicator of his true level. Besides, Had Roger not existed, Roddick would have been a multi-slam winner by then, with a confidence at its peak. I'm pretty sure he would have routined Rafa in the final. Of course 2007 is a completely different matter.
It's impossible to tell, and therefore equally irrelevant. All we know is what happened, ifs and buts don't matter.
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A-Rod would have 2 or 3 Wimbledons, that's pretty clear.
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Pretty rough one but:

2003 W: Roddick
2004 AO: Safin
2004 W: Roddick
2004 USO: Hewitt
2005 W: Hewitt
2005 USO: Agassi
2006 AO: Baghdatis
2006 W: Nadal
2006 USO: Roddick
2007 AO: Gonzalez
2007 W: Nadal
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2008 USO: Murray
2009 FO: Del Potro
2009 W: Roddick
2010 AO: Murray
2012 W: Murray
What about Nalbandian?
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It's impossible to tell, and therefore equally irrelevant. All we know is what happened, ifs and buts don't matter.
Why did you post in this thread in the first place then?
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Why did you post in this thread in the first place then?
That I think it doesn't matter doesn't mean I can't give my opinion on some of the comments. Do you think it's relevant what we're discussing here?
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Default Re: I just went back in time, imagine there is no Federer in Dec 2002.....

Surely you'd have to take into account Federer's presence (or lack thereof) in the slams that he didn't end up winning.

There's far more that would be changed without him beyond the 17 slams he has won.
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Surely you'd have to take into account Federer's presence (or lack thereof) in the slams that he didn't end up winning.

There's far more that would be changed without him beyond the 17 slams he has won.
Exactly, there are far too many variables that change even when you take him out of one slam (say, Wimbledon 2003), never mind completely eliminating him from history. Confidence and self belief are a tricky thing.
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Without Federer, every draw would have been different, the mental state of each player/drive/motivation would have been different, tennis history would have taken a completely different course - in fact there's even a chance that without Federer around, Nadal would have never won a Slam since instead of designing his game to counter Federer he could have adopted a different style that might not have been so effective, or simply not had the same motivation to dethrone a dominant force early on. His mental makeup would have been completely different had the state of the game been totally different as well, there's no telling how he'd have done and the same applies to every other player of course, we need to keep in mind tennis is played by humans not machines who are unaffected by their surroundings.

Take Roddick for instance - without Federer around he'd never have felt the need to tweak his style and eventually change it completely, if Federer had never existed he'd have been a totally different player, both in terms of game and mentally.

In short, it's preposterous to believe that you can remove a 17-time Slam winner off the equation and assume everything else stays the same. Had Federer disappeared in December 2002, everything in the past decade of tennis would have been different, the game itself would have taken a different course.

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Who wins his slams from 2005-2012?
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Imagine Rafa was born a few years earlier. Poor Rogie
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Who wins his slams from 2005-2012?
Nadal because if there is no nadal in 04 it doesn't mean there isn't from 05 to 12
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