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Old 03-16-2013, 11:51 AM   #571
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Default Re: ~-* MS 1000 Indian Wells BNP Paribas Open *-~ Rog in the Desert! QF vs Rafa

The good news is that Roger will keep the number 2 next monday (now 415 weeks in the top-2) and that now Murray needs to win Miami to take it from him after Miami.

And if Murray doesn't win Miami, he will probably need to play the final in Monte-Carlo or play great in MonteCarlo+Barcelona (he's not even entered them yet) to take the number 2 seed in Madrid and Roma (it's better for Roger to be number2-seed to avoid Djokovic in semis and rather have Ferrer or another player -if it's not Nadal - )

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Like in Estoril 2010? How good is a loss in a small tournament for the old confidence? He doesn't need to scurry off to a small tournament like some journeyman trying to amass enough points to avoid having to play qualies. What he wants is time off. It was decided before the back issue came up.

In other words...

he said himself that he will reconsider his schedule again : we just mention possibilities in that case, that's all

Points may be useful for him to keep a top-4 seed for the US Open, which is in real danger now. You may not like anybody to say it but that's the truth

Now if he decides not to play before Madrid as he had planned, it's perfectly OK for me and probably for most people who just "think of possibilities"

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IF his back is completely fine I could see him playing in Monte Carlo. That tournament starts April 13, nearly a month away. If not, playing Estoril would be good. I almost feel like he needs a small tournament win like that to get his confidence back up.
Personally, I'm just concerned about starting on clay straight in a hard draw in Madrid Masters 1000 and I think having played one tournament before might be a good preparation. I still remember when he bumped into Gulbis in first round having no preparation in Roma 2010.

And I also think about points as I said.

I don't think about "confidence" here.

But I'm perfectly OK to leave him decide alone

And I don't think he would lose in a small tournament if he played it

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On the other hand, I really don't think the last 3 tournaments have been as bad as many people make out. The back compromised his form in IW but before that he played great tennis. In Dubai he looked good and was one point away from final. .
I agree with that : he played very good tennis against Davydenko in Dubai and against IStomin in Indian Wells. And before tweaking something on his back, he was hitting the ball very well against Dodig even though he made errors seemingly by too much confidence.

And then he tweaked his back ... (and he bumped in a great Nadal)

My only regret is losing so stupidly to Berdych in Dubai : he had everything to win that match in 2 sets (I don't even think of the tie-break : he should have won it before, the way he lost his serve in the second set was crazy and he had tuns of opportunities to break Berdych ; in the tie-break Berdych gave him some points as well) and in that match, he played really crazily, whereas he was in a very good form. I even think he could have defeated Djokovic ... which in that case would have been good for his "confidence"

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As he said, Rotterdam was disappointing but maybe good in the long run if he was to run into Delpo in the final and lose.
Considering their respective form in that tournament, Del Po would have probably defeated Fed but I don't think Fed's confidence would have been more hurt by that than by losing to Benneteau, quite the opposite.
He knows he can beat Del Po anyway : the H2H is 13-4, and most of these wins were in recent years, it's not at all like against Berdych with whom it's been 4-5 since the Australian open 2009 (included), nearly all of the matches being very tight.

Del Po is a very good match-up for Roger, honestly Del Po didn't even play well to defeat Murray and only Djokovic is a worse match-up for Del Po than Roger imo.
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Old 03-16-2013, 02:40 PM   #572
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A textmessage from Karin woke me up to the bad news yesterday morning but honestly said it wasn't a surprise to hear that Roger lost considering the match up issues between both players, Roger's current condition and the fact that he played a tough 3 setter against Stan in the previous round.

Apparently Roger has back problems since the AO and couldn't practice before going into the tournament of Rotterdam.

He knew he had a lot of points to defend there, in Dubai and Indian Wells so that he maybe decided to give it a try and play the tournaments.

Let's hope he can recover in the next weeks and that we will see him back in perfect condition on the court.

I trust him that he makes the right decisions - when he feels he needs to play a tournament before going to Madrid he will do so, when he feels he needs the time away to recover and practice he will do this.

It won't get easier for him to get over such health problems and all we can hope for is that this stage of his career won't be too overshadowed by injury trouble.

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You knew that you would have to read that kind of c**p over there when you applied for being a mod

I only had a brief look in the match thread and as always I'm shocked by the hate people show on this forum...

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I have to ask, how come such hateful and inappropriate behaviour is allowed? Some people don't add ANYTHING constructive to the forum. It's hit and miss - there can be great discussion and there can be completely idiocy that I know turns a lot of people away - because it nearly kept me away until I started digging further to find the good discussion.
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I have to ask, how come such hateful and inappropriate behaviour is allowed? Some people don't add ANYTHING constructive to the forum. It's hit and miss - there can be great discussion and there can be completely idiocy that I know turns a lot of people away - because it nearly kept me away until I started digging further to find the good discussion.
Well, the rules are lenient. Luckily we have an "Ignore"-list. After being on the forum a year I have added some posters to this one. I watched what they wrote long enough and concluded none of it deserved to be read or commented upon. Makes it easier to find the interesting stuff.
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Nice to see DelPo keeping my faith in tennis. In a completely unrelated note, I saw the statue of Roger hitting a SHBH in the Nike store in London today .
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Good idea, especially since the forum doesn't appear to have a "c**p filter". I must admit, there are a lot of people out there who could do with being stomped on (metaphorically speaking, of course) - I was surprised the other day, reading a thread which had nothing to do with any of the Big Four, to find it was really quite civilised.

I don't know, I absent myself for just over 24 hours, log on and find some really shocking results! What's up with JMDP?!
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Still a little pissed. God damnit
So much time until Madrid! >__<
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Yeah. Guess losing to the ultimate winner slightly takes the edge off the defeat, though.
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I used to hate Nadal, but now I'm neutral about him. I can respect the ability he has and the strength of his game even if it's not my kind of style. I've always loved his mentality though, and I wish Fed would have had that same mentality in many of his matches the last 5 years.
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I used to hate Nadal, but now I'm neutral about him. I can respect the ability he has and the strength of his game even if it's not my kind of style. I've always loved his mentality though, and I wish Fed would have had that same mentality in many of his matches the last 5 years.
Sure, we can wish for Nadal's mentality. Or Isner's serve, for that matter. And Djokovic' back. But I say we're pretty fortunate with what we got
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I agree with Kyle. Maybe not even the mentality, but I think Fed should show more emotion in his game at particular times. Sure you will get the occasional "Come on!", but they are few and far between. Positive body language (even feigned) gives confidence and intimidates opponents. Just look at Nadal after saving break points
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Kat, I know. I was just looking for some ways to see Roger again sooner. He needs a long break badly. I feel that the packed schedule with the OG last year is still lingering for him.
Here is what a Swiss poster on rf.com said
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that Roger told the swiss jounos in swissgerman, that if
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Sure, we can wish for Nadal's mentality. Or Isner's serve, for that matter. And Djokovic' back. But I say we're pretty fortunate with what we got
Litotes . Could not have said it better myself.
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To be clear, I'm on the boat that says Roger is among the strongest mental players ever. I just think the concentration has waned in recent years, understandably.
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