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Old 03-03-2013, 05:49 PM   #286
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you do know that Novak had problems with Nadal's second serve.....net after net after net returns
1st serve points won: 68%
2nd serve points won: 57%

Uhuh...uhuh

'Nadal served only 42 percent (first serves) for the match, including an abysmal 25 percent in the second set'
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Old 03-03-2013, 05:50 PM   #287
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Did his serving percentage drop below 30?
So basically what you mean is that Nole was lucky to win IW that year because Rafa dropped his serve to 30%?
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So basically what you mean is that Nole was lucky to win IW that year because Rafa dropped his serve to 30%?
Way to miss the argument and trying to score some cheap points by putting words into my mouth.

Where did this argument start? With Nole Fan laughing at me for suggesting Nadal crumbled in IW. I'm sorry if I consider serving 25% crumbling.
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Did his serving percentage drop below 30?
Who cares? Nadal couldn't keep up anymore, same as Murray - end of story
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Way to miss the argument and trying to score some cheap points by putting words into my mouth.

Where did this argument start? With Nole Fan laughing at me for suggesting Nadal crumbled in IW. I'm sorry if I consider serving 25% crumbling.
I didn't put words in your mouth, I asked if that was what you meant. Didn't state you meant that.

It's irrelevant if Rafa crumbled or not. He lost. Nole lost many matches the same way, even worst.

So really, tell me what your point his by stating that Rafa crumbled? Where do you want to get?

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1st serve points won: 68%
2nd serve points won: 57%

Uhuh...uhuh

'Nadal served only 42 percent (first serves) for the match, including an abysmal 25 percent in the second set'
exactly.......Nadal's second serve is nothing special and returner like Novak won only 43% of those points
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Nole will retire Rafa this year for good if Rafa is man enough to show his face on anything other than clay.
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Who cares? Nadal couldn't keep up anymore, same as Murray - end of story

I was there just a few rows from the court. It seemed to me and those around us that Djoko wore Rafa down. Rafa looked tired, and it shocked us because we've been so used to seeing a tireless or at least a seemingly tireless Rafa up until then.

I like both these players, but it was sad for me that day. In retrospect, it makes me appreciate Djoko's achievements that year.
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1st serve points won: 68%
2nd serve points won: 57%

Uhuh...uhuh

'Nadal served only 42 percent (first serves) for the match, including an abysmal 25 percent in the second set'
Nadal is forced to go for his serves versus Novak because he's the best returner in the world.

No surprise his stats are so low. I'd be surprised if they weren't.

On any surface but clay Nadal doesn't have the answer to the problems Novak gives him.
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If he serves well and plays his best, he gonna have chances to win.
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Nole will retire Rafa this year for good if Rafa is man enough to show his face on anything other than clay.

if only you could be the man that Rafa has become. Would do your mother proud.
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I think you've got it backwards mate. Both were 3 sets, Miami was final set tb, IW was like 6-3 or 6-2 in the third I think.
Yes.

In Miami it was pretty close (final set TB). In IW Djokovic lost the first set but won pretty easily the other two.

I don't why I remembered the first match being the close one and the second one being easier for ND.
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I was there just a few rows from the court. It seemed to me and those around us that Djoko wore Rafa down. Rafa looked tired, and it shocked us because we've been so used to seeing a tireless or at least a seemingly tireless Rafa up until then.
Yup, it's usually the other way round
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2nd set IW is when Nadal's fist serve percentage dropped.
25% first serves in
33% won of the first serves
67% of the second serves

Nadal was doing fine without his first serve in that match. As soon as he started hitting first serves, Nole was eating them with gusto.
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Nadal is forced to go for his serves versus Novak because he's the best returner in the world.

No surprise his stats are so low. I'd be surprised if they weren't.

On any surface but clay Nadal doesn't have the answer to the problems Novak gives him.
Yeah, Novak is forcing him to hit 25% first serves. This was a one time freak occurence for a guy who usually serves around 70, even against Novak.

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exactly.......Nadal's second serve is nothing special and returner like Novak won only 43% of those points
But it's obvious he wins more on his first serve, when his serve % drops -> do the math

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I didn't put words in your mouth, I asked if that was what you meant. Didn't state you meant that.

It's irrelevant if Rafa crumbled or not. He lost. Nole lost many matches the same way, even worst.

So really, tell me what your point his by stating that Rafa crumbled? Where do you want to get?
Well, it kind of took on a life of it's own and one thing led to another. Had to look a few pages back to see where this started.

It started with discussing confidence and losses here. I just mentioned how his confidence back then was shaky and how that showed with him dropping off despite being in control until 6-4 2-2.
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