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Old 02-16-2013, 04:17 PM   #31
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Nadal will need time to reach his overall level but I don't think that he will find the troubles that found Del Potro.
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Old 02-16-2013, 04:26 PM   #32
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Nadal is just playing very cautious now, he will be running as usual at Monte Carlo. If you watched his matches he barely moves.
If he goes from this to his usual form in less than two months, that will be pretty big achievement in itself. Btw, which tournaments does he play between now and MC - I didn't quite understand, is he going to play anything on hard or not?
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bad comparison OP, as others have mentioned, beyond the age difference at time of injury, Juan got a huge surgery done on his wrists which is very hard to come back from, you have so much fear about how much you can swing, etc.

can't say if Nadal will be back at 100% at any point or not, too early to call, BUT for certain if he's going to it will be in the next few months. he is not the kind of guy who it would logically take that long to get back to his best form

what I'm saying is Nadal will be at whatever his current possible best is in the next few months, and if it's not close to what used to be, then he'll probably hang up the rackets

definitely feel like he'll sort himself out though, these clay courts aren't the best in South America, he doesn't have the same magic feeling/connection like he does the European clay, and it does certainly take a few tournaments for even someone as adaptable as Nadal to get his game back

IMO he's playing well for such a long absence, but for some reason the 'fans' on this site expect a player to be at magic best player in the world form immediately after such a long break
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It hurts my eyes when people call Nadal just a 'grinder'. The guy has some beastly shots in his arsenal which people on here don't give him enough credit for. He makes things happen, matches are decided on his terms, especially on the big points. So don't count on him fading away so quickly just because he's a step slower, you'll be in for a big surprise.

His insane retrieving abilities are what elevate him from being a top 4 player and slam contender to being the best and most dominant player in the world, so he needs them back if he wants to get to where he used to be.
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If he goes from this to his usual form in less than two months, that will be pretty big achievement in itself. Btw, which tournaments does he play between now and MC - I didn't quite understand, is he going to play anything on hard or not?
In this form there is no sense to plat IW and Miami. He should just rest and train and come back full force at MC
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In this form there is no sense to plat IW and Miami. He should just rest and train and come back full force at MC
I fully agree with this, I hope he knows that
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You were doing so well then you spoilt it all with that...
You don't think Nadal can be the best and dominant player in the world? If he plays to his potential he's definitely capable of it. He actually was on his way in 2012 until injury stopped him at Wimbledon.
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Against Berlocq and Souza? Without injury layoff they wouldn't win 6 games combined
Again, on a proper claycourt I'd agree with you. But did you watch any play this week? Nadal wouldn't have been comfortable on this surface no matter what shape he was in. Maybe in USO 2010 form with his killer serve, he would be unbreakable. Because this tournament shouldn't be treated as a clay court tournament I feel, look at Nalbandian reaching the semis for instance. It's fast, rallies rarely last longer than 4 shots and add to that that it's almost impossible to slide on (saw a lot of feet getting stuck when players tried this). And that sliding is a big part of what makes Rafa's movement on clay so special.
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Again, on a proper claycourt I'd agree with you. But did you watch any play this week?
Not sure what you're trying to say. I think Nadal normally shouldn't struggle against Berlocqs and Souzas on any court on tour. Courts in MC last year were pretty bad, and he didn't lose a set against far better players.
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In this form there is no sense to plat IW and Miami. He should just rest and train and come back full force at MC
yeah, let's just skip hard court tournaments the whole season....

unfortunately tennis is played on all surfaces, it would be dumb for him to be a baby and just skip every hard court tournament that he felt he was in 'bad form' for. in fact that's against ATP, policy, he would need to be fined for skipping that many masters without injury and/or valid excuse
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Not sure what you're trying to say. I think Nadal normally shouldn't struggle against Berlocqs and Souzas on any court on tour. Courts in MC last year were pretty bad, and he didn't lose a set against far better players.
as GMSNadal mentioned, the courts this week are atrocious. he already has enough doubts about how much weight and pressure he can put on the knees, but if he can't slide properly (which he can't this week in the mud) then obviously he is going to play much much worse

his opponents know he's still nursing the confidence with the legs and have nothing to lose. obviously the poor courts certainly are hurting Nadal from playing his best this week

a Berlocq can technically beat any player on tour, particularly if that player is coming back from an injury and is playing in conditions that he would not prefer. that is tennis, it's not like there are any hacks in the top 100 per say, they all have some DEGREE of talents

again in MC last year, Nadal wasn't coming back from a 7/8 month lay away... try to use your brain
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Not sure what you're trying to say. I think Nadal normally shouldn't struggle against Berlocqs and Souzas on any court on tour. Courts in MC last year were pretty bad, and he didn't lose a set against far better players.
I was wondering if you saw any play so you knew how this surface looked and played like. Monte Carlo surface was elite compared to this, and it's not just that it's bad, it's that it's really fast as well. Monte Carlo still played like a great clay court should. (and of course very slide-able)
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You don't think Nadal can be the best and dominant player in the world? If he plays to his potential he's definitely capable of it. He actually was on his way in 2012 until injury stopped him at Wimbledon.
On clay and grass perhaps, but not on hardcourts.
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On clay and grass perhaps, but not on hardcourts.
You don't need to be the best on all surfaces to be the best and most dominant player in the world

If he can control clay and grass and be decent on hardcourt he would already be what I claimed.

Novak isn't even the best on 2 surfaces and we regard him as the best player at the moment.
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It hurts my eyes when people call Nadal just a 'grinder'. The guy has some beastly shots in his arsenal which people on here don't give him enough credit for. He makes things happen, matches are decided on his terms, especially on the big points. So don't count on him fading away so quickly just because he's a step slower, you'll be in for a big surprise.

His insane retrieving abilities are what elevate him from being a top 4 player and slam contender to being the best and most dominant player in the world, so he needs them back if he wants to get to where he used to be.
Close your eyes, then.

Nadal isn't anything but a grinder. And a very limited one. Can't even hit a proper forehand.
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